do I need a band saw?

1930artdeco

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Hello,

I will begin the resto of my Townsedan soon and have a big scoll/jig saw with about 24" depth for clearance of long pieces of wood. Do I really need a band saw with the saw that I have? I can use band saw blades (I just cut them down) so I can choose my teeth count.

Mike
 
A lot will have to do with what wood pieces you find need replacing and what pieces are already available aftermarket.

I recently became peripherally involved in the reconstruction of the rear seat back of a 1930 TS. These wood pieces are not available aftermarket as near as we could tell. Although the seat back is basically flat, there are quite a number of angled notches, fillers and compound curves. As long as you have access to a planer for thicknessing and a table saw for the flat cuts, I think you probably could do the other cuts on a scroll/jig saw, but a band saw would give you much better results.

I have not attempted to use any of the repro parts, but I understand that they still need quite a bit of fuss and fitment.

Cutting thicker pieces with a scroll/jig saw becomes problematic because the center part of the blade never clears the sawdust, like happens with a bandsaw.
 
Just to clarify and add context this the scroll saw I have. Well not mine same model.
 

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I used a corded saber saw to rough out the top bows of my '29 CCPU extended cab and an orbital sander to finish the job. Used white oak and made cardboard templates first.
 
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Get a band saw - they are very useful. I bought a small belt sander that sits on the bench that is a great tool to finish the wood cut with other tools and to fit the wood.
Rusty Nelson
 

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Just to clarify and add context this the scroll saw I have. Well not mine same model.

I think the saw you have will work just fine. It may be a little slower than a band saw but it should work.

If you find your saw is just not doing the job, you can always buy a band saw.

My opinion,

Chris W.
 
My vote is different (-which is often the case here, SO I apologize in advance!! :o).

I have a Powermatic 143 that I have modified with upgrades such as better tires, a 1¾hp motor, roller blade guides, etc. where it does quick breakdown work of your stock materials. We use it constantly ...and we use it with a 3TPI blade 90% of the time, -and a 14TPI blade the other 10%. I have a scroll saw that was 'inherited' by me from a family member so I can't get rid of it, but there is no real use for it IMHO. A Scroll Saw is only really used in clock making, luthier work, and similar crafting. It is much too slow and generally does not have a deep enough throat.


FWIW, technology has advanced in wood working since time is extremely valuable these days where many older tools have become obsolete. At minimum, you really need a Planer, a Mitre Saw, a Band Saw, a Router Table, and an orbital hand palm sander. If you have a table saw, you can use it for spinning a stacked Dado which will be helpful, and for breaking down your stock.

As far as other pieces, I would suggest you spend some time on your local Craigslist and Marketplace and buy the following used tools. My reasoning is that you can have them during the fabrication process, and then resell them to regain your investment when you are finished. I have a Jet JSG96 Belt & Disc sander that will be perfect for making your templates for a flush trim router, and for angle shaping or shaping radius' quickly. I feel you really need to find something similar. I mentioned a Router Lift Table above, and the same things applies with this tool. If you take your existing worn/deteriorated wood, you can add body filler to the worn or deteriorated areas and then sand it smooth, -or if it is not fitting correctly (shrinkage, notched incorrectly, etc.) you can add wood filler or cheap body filler and use the belt & disc sander to make your template the correct size. So, rough cut your new wood stock using the Band Saw with the 3TPI blade to quickly cut it to rough-size, then use two-sided tape to attach the old and new pieces together. Then using a 0.250" or a 0.500" diameter Flush Trim Router Bit to trim the new piece of wood to actual size. Items such as Roof Ribs, Roof Rails, and even some structural wood can all be cut & shaped in this method.

While Radial Arm Saws are kind of a thing of the past, on certain units you can add a stacked Dado head to make Tenons, Lap joints or Bridle joints, -or maybe some Rabbet joints. If not, use your Router to cut the Rabbets, or your Table Saw. Depending on where you purchase your wood, I feel you are going to need a Jointer and a Planer. Both of mine are WAY too large to be used in a small home shop, but a small Planer at minimum to create two good surfaces in case you need to do glue-ups to make bigger pieces such as front seat upper wood, or upper Rear Rail wood or Rear Belt corner wood will be a plus. The bottom line in this is you will stay much more enthused if it takes 40 hour to manufacture all of the pieces vs. 100 hours using a scroll saw, a jig saw, and a handheld belt sander. I wish you were closer since many of the tools you need I have already purchased and have fixtures/jigs setup, which would be a time saver for you.

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Thanks Brent, I was going to buy the wood from 'Model A wood' since it is already cut to size-mostly from what I hear. So far I know I need the roof section, sub floor and 'B' pillar wood. So I am hoping I don't need to do a whole of fabricating-I hope.

Mike
 
Brent, I see jointers for sale here quite a bit, What size would you recommend and what would they be used for? I am trying to picture the joints/cuts I would use it on and can't.

Thanks,

Mike
 
Brent, I see jointers for sale here quite a bit, What size would you recommend and what would they be used for? I am trying to picture the joints/cuts I would use it on and can't.

Thanks,

Mike

Mike, mine is an 8" jointer which means it will handle an 8" wide board. What it is used for to taking the bow, -or curvature out of a board. Generally, a board that is cupped upward (-the hump rises in the center like a Camel's hump) so the Jointer shaves off of the bottom side of the board on either end, -thus lowering the gap under the board in the center. Usually after 3-4 passes, the entire bottomside is flat the entire length of the board. This allows the board to be placed into a Planer which uses knives to shave the topside of the board. This is done to create the thickness of the board stock. Because the Planer rollers push downward on the board, if it had a hump or gap on the bottom side, the Planer would force the board flat as it is being pulled through, this removing wood from the topside, -yet once the board has gone thru the plaber, the wood fibers would cause the board to hump upward again. That is the board is Jointed first. The other task the Jointer does is once the board's sides are co-planer, then the fence along the backside is set at exactly 90° from the cutter knives and this allows the board to have two side angles that are exactly 90° perpendicular to each other. Then, using a Table Saw's fence, the board can be ripped lengthwise and maintain the same width throughout the entire length.

As far as thinking about the joints or cuts, you won't need one if you are buying a premade kit that fits. The problem with that scenario is either the piece fits properly or you likely make a new piece that will be the proper dimensions. If you must make replacement pieces for the kit, then you are back to square one of needing proper tooling. One thing to think about is the jointery needs to be exacting if you are going to have a tight body with rigidity. The rigidity happens when every board intersects with the adjoining board just like you see in furniture or cabinetry. When a body's infrastructure is assembled with poor fits or jointery, then before long the doors start sagging or popping open when driving, squeaks & rattles happen, upholstery trim falls loose, etc. and then it becomes a problem every time you drive it. For any number of those reasons, my customers decided they wanted better quality so about 15 years ago we started fabricating the coach wood inhouse. Only you know what your skillsets are, but if you can custom manufacture & fit the wood to your body, you likely will enjoy driving your car much more.
 
Mike, mine is an 8" jointer which means it will handle an 8" wide board. What it is used for to taking the bow, -or curvature out of a board. Generally, a board that is cupped upward (-the hump rises in the center like a Camel's hump) so the Jointer shaves off of the bottom side of the board on either end, -thus lowering the gap under the board in the center. Usually after 3-4 passes, the entire bottomside is flat the entire length of the board. This allows the board to be placed into a Planer which uses knives to shave the topside of the board. This is done to create the thickness of the board stock. Because the Planer rollers push downward on the board, if it had a hump or gap on the bottom side, the Planer would force the board flat as it is being pulled through, this removing wood from the topside, -yet once the board has gone thru the plaber, the wood fibers would cause the board to hump upward again. That is the board is Jointed first. The other task the Jointer does is once the board's sides are co-planer, then the fence along the backside is set at exactly 90° from the cutter knives and this allows the board to have two side angles that are exactly 90° perpendicular to each other. Then, using a Table Saw's fence, the board can be ripped lengthwise and maintain the same width throughout the entire length.

As far as thinking about the joints or cuts, you won't need one if you are buying a premade kit that fits. The problem with that scenario is either the piece fits properly or you likely make a new piece that will be the proper dimensions. If you must make replacement pieces for the kit, then you are back to square one of needing proper tooling. One thing to think about is the jointery needs to be exacting if you are going to have a tight body with rigidity. The rigidity happens when every board intersects with the adjoining board just like you see in furniture or cabinetry. When a body's infrastructure is assembled with poor fits or jointery, then before long the doors start sagging or popping open when driving, squeaks & rattles happen, upholstery trim falls loose, etc. and then it becomes a problem every time you drive it. For any number of those reasons, my customers decided they wanted better quality so about 15 years ago we started fabricating the coach wood inhouse. Only you know what your skillsets are, but if you can custom manufacture & fit the wood to your body, you likely will enjoy driving your car much more.
There is quite a cost jump from 6” jointer to 8” jointer, but additional capacity is good. But don’t settle for a “benchtop” jointer regardless of size. The bed will be too short to get a good smooth finish, the motor will be underpowered, adjustments will not hold, and likely the beds and fence will be aluminum that will gall and gouge. Get a floor mounted jointer with steel or iron beds and fence, used, and you can sell it for what you paid for it when you’re done. Old Delta or Powermatic are good buys, even some old Craftsman (say pre-2000 or so). Grizzly, Harbor Fright, Ryobi - meh. My opinions, but I’ve owned and used several.

Brent gave an excellent description of what to use a jointer for. BTW, a jointer and a joiner (without the “t”) are two entirely different tools. Don’t get confused!
 
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I'm sure you can find a small bench top bandsaw for cheap, in Canada I can buy a new one for about $140 so used in the US probably $50.
 
Thank you Brent and Jay, that helps a lot. I am hoping the kit is good and just needs some minor tweaking. If not I am going to hone my woodworking skills which are better than my metal working. Not by much but better. I will keep an eye out for an 8" jointer and a band saw and planer. I have time so am not in a rush.

Mike
 
artdeco. you are not going into this to start a full time business. basics should be fine. as mentioned, buy used equip off of FB or CL if necessary. I still say you are fine with what you have.


are you in a hurry? Are you going into a full time venture? enjoy the journey.
 
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