cowl band(extra bolts?)

Brubaker

Brubaker

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I have a cowl band with two extra bolts(one on each side). They slide freely up/down. My other cowl bands do not have them. Q: Did someone(for some reason) add them after-market? It was with among some Victoria parts, but I assumed all cowl bands were the same('30/31 that is). Thanks. Bruce
 

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I think there's a earlier cowl band then this one for 1930? I am not sure but it was held on by 2 carriage bolts on either side. The one you have might be as early as Oct ,1929.
 
I have the later style on my February 1930, however, the cowl has the two carriage bolt holes on both sides for the earlier type cowl band. Good old Henry Ford, didn't throw anything away, always found a way to use up parts.

Ron
 
:rolleyes: 29wagon , when i say Oct 1929 cars that means the 1930 models where being built. My Jan.1930 Briggs was started being built somewhere in Oct.. 1929.. And the hardest cowl band to find is the brass NICKEL plated cowl band [some were chrome plated] on 1929 Cabriolet and town Sedans.Your 1929 Town Cars too had cowl bands.
 
I had an early 1930 cowl years ago with the early band. Besides the two bolts aren't there clips as well that went under the gas tank screws, or is my memory going? I can remember square holes under the cowl band as well.
 
This may enhance my last gas tank article slightly.

So just how many different types of cowl bands were there and their window of usage?

Thanks.

Pluck
 
re; cowl bands,is there some kind of bracket that goes over the bottom stud to make it draw down tight? if so ,anybody got a couple for sale?Thanks
 
I don't think there are any additional brackets. Because the bolt studs are angled, tightening the nuts should drawn the band down tight.
 
Steve Plucker said:
This may enhance my last gas tank article slightly.

So just how many different types of cowl bands were there and their window of usage?

Thanks.

Pluck
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Steve, I have seen 3 different styles (and may actually have all three for show) for the '30-31 version, and I also have the '29 brass type for the 68A & Fordors. I do not know the exact dates but I have restored a late Jan '30 Coupe that did not have eyebrow fenders yet had the longer cowl band. I also have a Phaeton in here right now that has the oblong draw-down so it uses the draw-down stud and has the two holes in the side. The difference is in the lower cowl area on how long the bead extends. I do not know dates when the transition was though.

There were some additional clips that slipped under the tank screws at the top that held the band. Snyders offers a reproduction clip for these applications.
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Brubaker said:
I don't think there are any additional brackets. Because the bolt studs are angled, tightening the nuts should drawn the band down tight.
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tried that but because the sloted holes in the cowl are vertical and the bolt is angled the nut is also angled and does not draw the band.thought ther might be a sleave or something that might set in the slot and help the nut to draw it down. Thanks
 
The Berg said:
tried that but because the sloted holes in the cowl are vertical and the bolt is angled the nut is also angled and does not draw the band.thought ther might be a sleave or something that might set in the slot and help the nut to draw it down. Thanks
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First of all, the band with the bolts in the side didn't have the slanted bolt at the bottom. Second, the slanted bolts go through the subrails at the front and this makes the nuts sit flat. Looks like someone has done some modifying on your cowl to make a later band work because the early bands are as hard to find as the brass ones. I found this out when I bought a cowl for a Tudor years ago and the cowl band didn't fit. I needed to replace the lowers and subrails so I made the cowl into a later one. The cowl band didn't have the correct curve so I ground the sides off of some 1/4 20 carriage bolts and slipped them into the band like yours are and pulled it in. It worked good but without looking, everyone said it wouldn't work but by changing both parts it did. You may have to replace the subrails to later style to get the job done correctly.
 
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Roadster62 said:
I had an early 1930 cowl years ago with the early band. Besides the two bolts aren't there clips as well that went under the gas tank screws, or is my memory going? I can remember square holes under the cowl band as well.
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The clips were used to locate the band on early gas tanks that did not have the raised dimples to locate the band. Snyders catalog says they were missing on most cars which is true as most cars did not require them.
 
peters180a/170b said:
:rolleyes: 29wagon , when i say Oct 1929 cars that means the 1930 models where being built. My Jan.1930 Briggs was started being built somewhere in Oct.. 1929.. And the hardest cowl band to find is the brass NICKEL plated cowl band [some were chrome plated] on 1929 Cabriolet and town Sedans.Your 1929 Town Cars too had cowl bands.
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What is your Briggs body number?
 
James Rogers said:
First of all, the band with the bolts in the side didn't have the slanted bolt at the bottom. Second, the slanted bolts go through the subrails at the front and this makes the nuts sit flat. Looks like someone has done some modifying on your cowl to make a later band work because the early bands are as hard to find as the brass ones. I found this out when I bought a cowl for a Tudor years ago and the cowl band didn't fit. I needed to replace the lowers and subrails so I made the cowl into a later one. The cowl band didn't have the correct curve so I ground the sides off of some 1/4 20 carriage bolts and slipped them into the band like yours are and pulled it in. It worked good but without looking, everyone said it wouldn't work but by changing both parts it did. You may have to replace the subrails to later style to get the job done correctly.
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Got cha,think you may be right.Thanks for the info.
 
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