caveat emptor
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sugarmaker
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Folks,
Sure seams like a lot of work to get to the end result? I somewhat understand the process. as in counterfeiting the folks are very good at what they do., but not as good as the could be doing real correct work!
David, Thanks for reminding us of these things that go on as we sleep. Lot of folks could be duped and spend a lot of money.
I am surprised if it won the awards mentioned??
Regards,
Chris
Sure seams like a lot of work to get to the end result? I somewhat understand the process. as in counterfeiting the folks are very good at what they do., but not as good as the could be doing real correct work!
David, Thanks for reminding us of these things that go on as we sleep. Lot of folks could be duped and spend a lot of money.
I am surprised if it won the awards mentioned??
Regards,
Chris
deuce_roadster
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I had a car (1940) on the concourse at the Thousand Oaks meet and I remember seeing that car there I think for display, not judging. Had that distinctive Hawaiian stuff and the top over the rumble seat. My buddy and I both thought it was fake. I have judged 32,33 and 34s at least 5 times at V8 club National Meets with a well known expert David knew who passed away in 2014 before Thousand Oaks. Like David he would have come up with a list of reasons that particular car was bogus.
petehoovie
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Bored&Stroked
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To me this is a case of the buyer better know what they're looking at . . . or bring an expert.
I've seen a few of these types of builds - where they are trying to make a new body look old (and it never really works). They are always obvious if you know what you're looking at.
Also, the eBay wording is a bit telling . . . he says it has a "Steel Body" - he doesn't call it out as an original Ford body - just that it is steel. I've seen that little technique used a lot of times on eBay -- for 32 and 34 roadsters, 3 windows and 5 windows.
It is really hard to make something new, look truly vintage - and outside of all the stuff that was bolted onto it or installed in it, it doesn't look vintage (the body) to me in the least. The paint technique is also a total giveaway . . . original cars just don't age that way (never seen one yet!).
Would be interesting to see what he may have told others - in relation to the body.
I don't think most of us would be fooled for a second . . .
I've seen a few of these types of builds - where they are trying to make a new body look old (and it never really works). They are always obvious if you know what you're looking at.
Also, the eBay wording is a bit telling . . . he says it has a "Steel Body" - he doesn't call it out as an original Ford body - just that it is steel. I've seen that little technique used a lot of times on eBay -- for 32 and 34 roadsters, 3 windows and 5 windows.
It is really hard to make something new, look truly vintage - and outside of all the stuff that was bolted onto it or installed in it, it doesn't look vintage (the body) to me in the least. The paint technique is also a total giveaway . . . original cars just don't age that way (never seen one yet!).
Would be interesting to see what he may have told others - in relation to the body.
I don't think most of us would be fooled for a second . . .
rotorwrench
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There may be less folks than there are now but l'm sure there will be a few folks that care enough to find the truth.
VeryTangled
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I don't believe there is a National V-8 Club "Preservation" award. The 2013 Western Meet hosting club might have done something but it's not a National V-8 Club award. So it's a worthless 'credential.'
38 coupe
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The Early Ford V8 Club does have a preservation award, the "Rouge" award for "club vehicles unrestored, original as manufactured".
A side note: there was no Western National Meet in 2013, that was the year of the Grand National in Lake Tahoe. The pictured award is from the 2014 meet. I know of no way of verifying if the award pictured in the sale pictures was given for the car being discussed.
A side note: there was no Western National Meet in 2013, that was the year of the Grand National in Lake Tahoe. The pictured award is from the 2014 meet. I know of no way of verifying if the award pictured in the sale pictures was given for the car being discussed.
rockfla
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HOPEFULLY, with post like this.....I will "try" ad carry the torch, David!! THE challenge for me is finding the next one after me!!!
BoxCar Tom
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Bored&Stroked
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Boy would I like to own that car!
blucar
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Many years ago I had a friend, now deceased, that was considered by many people to b e an expert on '32 Fords, he had two Vicky's one restored and one a flat head powered street rod.
My friend called me, wanted me to come bye, had something to show me.
When I got to my friends house he was beaming with joy, could not wait to show me what he had in his shop.
Sitting in the shop was a very nice 'barn find' 32 Ford Roadster. The car was obviously very old with faded worn paint, weathered tires, dull chrome, ragged leather upholstery etc.
The story on the car that the car had belonged to a young man during the late 1930's, it was his hot rod, hmmmmm? a full fendered hot rod in the late 1930's.
When WWII started in 1941 the original owner joined the Army, his father put the car away in the garage for safe keeping.
The young man did not return from the war, the family was so distrought over his death they kept the car. My friend had bought the '32 from an estate sale.
There were things about the car that did not ring true to me, an Indian blanket over the lower seat cushion, and most of all a '40 Ford column shift complete with the '40 steering wheel, a common conversion in the late '40's, but I would doubt it in 1941.
I could tell there was not much sense pointing out my concerns with the car, my friend was so happy with his good fortune, he was going to put the car up for sale as soon as he got it running. He was going to ask $75,k for the car.
My friend called me, wanted me to come bye, had something to show me.
When I got to my friends house he was beaming with joy, could not wait to show me what he had in his shop.
Sitting in the shop was a very nice 'barn find' 32 Ford Roadster. The car was obviously very old with faded worn paint, weathered tires, dull chrome, ragged leather upholstery etc.
The story on the car that the car had belonged to a young man during the late 1930's, it was his hot rod, hmmmmm? a full fendered hot rod in the late 1930's.
When WWII started in 1941 the original owner joined the Army, his father put the car away in the garage for safe keeping.
The young man did not return from the war, the family was so distrought over his death they kept the car. My friend had bought the '32 from an estate sale.
There were things about the car that did not ring true to me, an Indian blanket over the lower seat cushion, and most of all a '40 Ford column shift complete with the '40 steering wheel, a common conversion in the late '40's, but I would doubt it in 1941.
I could tell there was not much sense pointing out my concerns with the car, my friend was so happy with his good fortune, he was going to put the car up for sale as soon as he got it running. He was going to ask $75,k for the car.
I feel a lot this nonsense is due to the new wave of reality shows. Barn find now equates to gold mine and the race is on to make pots of gold out anything barn find related.
You certainly need to do your home work before purchasing a valuable "barn find" or swallow your pride and get an expert if you aren't 100% sure as to what you are looking at is legit or not.
You certainly need to do your home work before purchasing a valuable "barn find" or swallow your pride and get an expert if you aren't 100% sure as to what you are looking at is legit or not.
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