Big Brother screwing you?

Paul, if I'm not mistaken, isn't the problem that you have to get your antique inspected by a garage?
I have several cars down here in NJ that could use registration, but the hassle of towing them up to ME and back kind of negates the difficulty in other states.
Now, if you have a mechanic that can sign me off.... ;))
 
Any vehicle that is 10 years old or older can be permanent registered. I believe that you have to pay 3 years worth of fees to do this. When I transferred my Michigan title to Montana it cost me 130.00 and that included a 25.00 charge for a purple heart veterans plate. This is a regular use plate not an historical vehicle or horseless carriage plate. They did have some kind of magical book that they looked up the value of my 31 slant fordor.
 
South Dakota and Minnesota both have an antique plate that you only pay once and it's permanent. That's the way it should be for cars 25 years and older, as it helps to save old cars in this throw away society. Nothing wrong with preserving a bit of history. For the little that these old cars get driven, there is no need for taxing them every year. We pay enough other taxes to keep this land of 10,000 liberals happy.
 
ronn said:
Paul, if I'm not mistaken, isn't the problem that you have to get your antique inspected by a garage?
I have several cars down here in NJ that could use registration, but the hassle of towing them up to ME and back kind of negates the difficulty in other states.
Now, if you have a mechanic that can sign me off.... ;))
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Nobody looks at the car. No title is issued. You get plates and a yellow paper registration just like titled vehicles. You have to show proof of insurance, a simple bill of sale and sign a form that it is an antique with the same type of drive train and engine that was installed at the factory when new and that its not your primary vehicle. All I had on the Bill of sale was the seller's name. I didn't know his address, but the town clerk did. Most new and used car registrations are issued by the town in Maine. The state DMV sets up office in the basement of the local Lutheran Church twice a week if you need to deal with them for driver license renewal eye tests and pictures. I renew my plates each year for about 25 bucks at the town office.
 
You are correct about that! NJ DMV will try to scare you into paying more.
Another exclusion to the sales tax is the "Transfer between family members for no consideration" There the state lets family members off the hook, no matter what the blue book value. They don't advertise this exclusion,. but it's available.
Terry



Kevin in NJ said:
In the state of New Jersey they will attempt to scare you into paying taxes on the top blue book value for a used car.

That is the value of a low mileage excellent condition car with a warranty from a dealer.

I bought a 100,000 mile used van from a private party and even got a receipt for the price paid. A month or two later I get a letter saying I need to pay more taxes or get the guy to sign the paper they sent that I paid less.

The guy was nice enough to sign the paper so I got off easy. I know others have just ignored the paper.

This practice is just a scare tactic that usually pays off for the state. I believe that the courts would decide that the value they use is unfair. The book they use states the value they use if for a dealer. The same book also lists private party values and takes into account condition. I would think the courts would be quick find that the state is wrong to use a dealer price when there is a clear listing for private party sales.

I have not found anyone who has gotten into trouble for ignoring the letter or sending in a letter telling them they are wrong in the value.
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Glad I live in a state where common sense prevails. Here in North Dakota if you have a valid title signed over you just go register it. If you do not have title, a bill of sale and an inspection form signed by a state trooper gets it registered. You need to make sure it meets state law for the year it was manufactured and the inspection form and information is easily obtainable. The troopers that do the inspection have also been very good to work with(the one that does mine is an old car guy).

Antique license fee of $10(good for life of the vehicle), $5 title fee, another $1.50 abandoned vehicle fee, and 5% tax on purchase price gets you going forever. No mileage limits on Antique plates, just on Collector plates. Vehicle must be 40 years old to qualify for Antique plates. The only restriction on Antique plates is that the vehicle may not be used in the routine functions of a business or farming operations.

Personalized plates are also available for a one time $100 fee.

Pete
 
I just consider it the cost of doing business. Is it fair? No. do I claim a use tax on my state income tax for all the out of state stuff I bought? Not saying here. Has anyone profited from parts or services and failed to report it? It all evens out and if we are creative it may even out in our favor. To put it in perspective look at those poor bastards that overpay at BJ auction. They have to pay the auctioneer a feee for buying a car the auctioneer is getting a commission on and depending on where they live will have to pay sales tax to boot.
 
Frank Miller said:
. To put it in perspective look at those poor bastards that overpay at BJ auction. They have to pay the auctioneer a feee for buying a car the auctioneer is getting a commission on and depending on where they live will have to pay sales tax to boot.
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I hadn't thought of that. They're paying sales tax on the buyers premium and the sellers premium since the sellers premium is included in the bid price.
 
About 25 years back Ohio had the same deal on taxing the vehicle based on some "book value" they came up with. The residents raised a big fuss and the law was repealed. The state then reimbursed folks if they had done a transaction during this time frame and were due a refund.

I'm surprised they have not tried it again, but they never have.

One thing Ohio is good at doing is if someone transfers a title and the state feels the declared value on the title is two low, they send a form to the buyer and seller which must be returned and they check to see if both parties have the same story. If both parties have the same sales figure, it has been my experience that the transaction is complete. Not sure what would happen if the figures didn't mesh?

As money gets tighter for all states, I'm sure more creative ways will pop up. These are the good old days!

Craig
 
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