battery charger with backup battery?

Kenjt

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I always keep my car on a charger. The car always starts right up. I realized that if I take the car to a show it would be off for many hours, with no charger available. So, my question is - is there some sort of 6 volt charger that includes a back-up battery that will allow me to go to a show without worrying that it won't start? I should note that I recently took the car out for a drive and afterwards did NOT put it on the charger for 4 hours and it did start right up.
 
I'm not sure why you feel the need to keep your battery always on a charger. A few days or even weeks should be okay without one. Otherwise, maybe something is not right with your battery, or charging system, or you have a battery draw. But anyways, you didn't say if you have 6V or 12. There a ton more products for a 12V charging system as compared to the 6V. If you have a 12 volt system, a power on/off switch under the hood or somewhere else and you can get to the battery cable connections, a 12V power pack can be carried in the trunk and used if your on-board battery goes flat. Let us know if you have 6V and find some kind of product.
 
I believe that you are worrying about nothing. The car should be able to easily sit without a charger on it for a couple weeks at least and still fire right up. If it will not then you either have a bad battery or some type of parasitic load draining the battery. It is entirely possible that since you always have it on the charger that has ruined the battery batteries need to be exercised (draw, charge, draw charge, etc.). Before I go in to this further I should point out that a Model A can be push started quite easily, it also can be jump started even if its still 6 volt as longer as you don’t have electronic ignition and you don’t have the lights on while the jumper cables are on. I would let the car sit overnight without a charger on and see what happens, the 2 days, etc. If the battery wont start the car then charge it up and disconnect the battery cable for a couple days and then try it, if it starts then look for what is draining the battery. I’m not going to write a book about how to look for the drain but there is not much to go wrong on a model A so it’s not difficult. Before a thousand people jump in here I will point out that the battery should be disconnected when the car is parked anyway. I prefer a switch that disconnects one of the two battery cables (either one will work and it’s actually better to disconnect the ground side (Pos. If still 6 volt Pos. Ground, and Neg. if it has been converted to 12 volt neg ground) or, at a bare minimum install (if you have not already) a fuse in the wire that leads to the junction box from the starter cable post and remove the fuse whenever the car is parked. On the flip side, if the battery still craps out when the cable is disconnected then you have a bad battery. A battery that is not used at least every few days cannot really be counted on after 3 years regardless of what battery you may buy. After that, you are on borrowed time and it’s up to you weather you just replace it at 3 years (which is what I do) or continue using it until you get stranded some day. A battery that is on borrowed time may start the car if everything is good but them some day you forget to turn the ignition on or turn the gas on or it’s particularly cold out, etc. and the battery is called upon to provide more cranking power than usual and it can’t do it. Read and digest all this and then if you need more info. Also, I could mention that a Model A can be crank started in a pinch or you can just carry one of those inexpensive little jump packs like you can buy everywhere these days. For those of you that feel you should jump in here comments you feel you just have to make, and bury Kent with detail etc. etc. I will say that I have been a marine, commercial, industrial electrician for more than 50 years and I do know what I am talking about.
 
Well dang, old gears jumped in while I was typing, if I had seen his comments I probably not have posted anything myself.
 
How often do you charge your modern car. Model A should be no different 6 or 12 volts.
Old gears had good suggestions.

Good luck,John
 
I have 4 old Fords with 6 volt systems. I do use Optima batteries and can let my cars set for as long as 3-4 months and they will start. All have generators and mechanical cut outs, no alternators or solid state electronics that can "leak" a little and run down a battery.

My experience,

Chris W.
 
Thanks for all of your replies. My A is the original 6 volt system. The car has had a history of issues - all of them solved - I hope. When I first bought the car it did start without any issue. However, it soon developed all sorts of problems. These were beyond my ability to fix. This is my third Model A. The first two always ran great and I never had a problem with either. I did put in a new battery in my current car and have kept it on a charger just in case. The car now starts every time. However, when I put it on the charger the lights indicate it is charging the battery. Like I said, I'm nervous to take it out and park it for an extended period. That's why I asked if there is such a thing as a charger with a battery backup that I can take just in case. I guess the smart thing to do is take it out for a ride and not put it back on the charger. Leave it over night and see if it starts in the next morning.
 
I always keep my car on a charger. The car always starts right up. I realized that if I take the car to a show it would be off for many hours, with no charger available. So, my question is - is there some sort of 6 volt charger that includes a back-up battery that will allow me to go to a show without worrying that it won't start? I should note that I recently took the car out for a drive and afterwards did NOT put it on the charger for 4 hours and it did start right up.




This may be the funniest post I've seen in a long time! It was meant as a joke, right?
 
A battery charger will most always feel a need to “top off” a battery that has been fully charged in a car (that has a properly regulated output voltage) a fully charged 6 volt battery has a “Finnish” voltage of around 7.2 volts but that voltage will drop very fast after the charging system (whatever it is) is removed. By this I don’t mean that it starts to discharge immediately but it will settle in at 6.25-6.5 volts and stay there a long time if the battery is in good shape. This is what a fully charged good condition battery does. So even if it’s only been sitting without a charging system attached for a few minutes a charger will see a need to charge it. I hope that makes sense? Now as I said in my earlier post if you have had this battery for very long and always have it on the charger it could have lost a lot oof it’s reserve capacity. You could say that it has gotten lazy living a life of ease. If it’s not too far gone sometimes a battery can regain some of that lost capacity if used and charged as designed.
 
Well said jeepguy1948. To return to original post's question "..is there some sort of 6 volt charger that includes a back-up battery..." with no admonishment , no moralising etc my answer to OP is .. a google search shows Hyundai do one over here in UK, I would expect a similar search to unearth one in USA. Enjoy your car Kenjt:)
 
Just get out the test light or volt meter and check for a draw.
If there is one, fix it.
If there isn't, don't worry and drive it.
If you using a starter mounted fuse holder, flipping up one end of the fuse should do it.
Or, mount a main disconnect in the seat riser and turn it off when not in use.
But, checking for a draw is the best way and fixing it if there is one.
 
If you using a starter mounted fuse holder, flipping up one end of the fuse should do it.
Or, mount a main disconnect in the seat riser and turn it off when not in use.
But, checking for a draw is the best way and fixing it if there is one.

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Chris W.
 
My dad had his A for 60 years and never used a maintainer or charger. The only time he had an issue was when the battery was old. Once again a push or a crank got it started right up. I use a maintainer on both of mine in the winter but usually leave them off in the summer so I can hop in and go. You shouldn't have to worry about the battery dying on you.
 
Unless your battery is shot, any car battery can go weeks/months without being charged unless you have some sort of parasitic current draw. Have you tried setting that charger aside for a few days and coming back and starting it? If it is draining, I would have the battery checked or check for a current draw. Do you have a battery shut-off switch or a fuse you can pull to insure no discharge?
 
But anyways, you didn't say if you have 6V or 12. There a ton more products for a 12V charging system as compared to the 6V. If you have a 12 volt system, a power on/off switch under the hood or somewhere else and you can get to the battery cable connections, a 12V power pack can be carried in the trunk and used if your on-board battery goes flat. Let us know if you have 6V and find some kind of product.

I don't think it really matters if you have 6v or 12v. A 12v 'Power Pack' will start a 6v car easily. Just ensure your lights are off!
 
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I’ll add if your using a jumper box 12 volts to 6 volts, connect to the battery, leave it on for 15 minutes so the electrons can flow into the dead battery! Most jumper boxes are NOT mint to start your car, just to replace the lost electrons from your dead battery! My SIL killed my jumper box trying start a dead tractor
 
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