Barn Find asking for help

[jg61hawk]

Cool! Thanks for posting. I may get heat for this but one stuck open valve may "fix itself". The engine could run on three cylinders and with heat and oil it may let that valve relax and start moving. Can't hurt to try.

 

[alexiskai]

Cool! Thanks for posting. I may get heat for this but one stuck open valve may "fix itself". The engine could run on three cylinders and with heat and oil it may let that valve relax and start moving. Can't hurt to try.

Weren't you posting last week that your transmission was making an awful noise, so your plan was to drive it hard until something broke?

 

[Diastole]

To all,
We finally were able to download the borescope pictures

Am I correct, non-Ford OEM valves and are those valve seats?
And, is that a burned seat with the hole?

These are all of the Phaeton. We did NOT do a compression or leak down test on her

Diastole

 

[Marshall V. Daut]

For one thing, those valves are way past useful. The margins along the top edges are gone. These are important to help dissipate heat from the valve heads. These valves have been refaced too many times, removing the margins.
Also, the seats in the block are too deep. The valve heads should above the block, not inside or level with the deck. The seats have been ground too many times, which lowers the valve heads. Sitting that low in the block, the heads will overheat, especially the exhaust valves. I am guessing the damage you see around the valve heads was caused by these conditions.
The cylinders look as though the rings have been scraping due to dirty oil or overheating.
Just from the photos you posted, I'd say this engine is due for some MAJOR machine work = new valve seats installed, new valves, bore the cylinders for the next size pistons, etc. If this engine runs at all, you'll be lucky. I wouldn't trust it driving to McDonald's, though. And you can bet there are more problems inside the engine than what we see in the photos, such as broken bearing Babbitt.
'Sorry.
Marshall

 

[Dan McEachern]

Get it running and then worry about what to fix................

 

[jg61hawk]

Yep...I posted that and I also posted this:
I re-read my response...I didn't mean to seem ungrateful or rude...just was thinking I can't really fix anything from the top. I found metal in the drain plug cup...and I am sure the Cluster Gear is probably the suspect.

I will take your advice and park it...order up some parts so I have them before I blow the case apart. Thanks.

 

[deuce lover]

If the grandfather had owned these right-hand drive open cars for a long time, it's possible that he bought them from a man who advertised in "Hemmings" and "The Restorer" in the late 1960's, offering right-hand drive roadsters and phaetons from South America. These were not incomplete rusted hulks pulled out of junkyards down there, but cars still with tops and mostly drivable, as I recall. Lots of Deluxe Phaetons! His name was Sam Sherman, or something like that. He imported them to New York. He stated a price for the cars and then added that the buyer had to pay all shipping and import duties. His ads in "The Restorer" usually showed three or four roadsters and phaetons, sometimes pictured in a box of four.
Do any of you old-timers in this hobby remember those ads? These two barnfinds from Grandpa sure look like that ilk of imported right-hand drive Model A's.
Do an

I remember those ads in Hemmings in the 1970's.It was a DR Kaplan in Buenos Aires Argentina. He was still dealing up until the early 1990's.

 

[Marshall V. Daut]

I recall seeing those Kaplan ads, too, but the ones I remember most were all those phaetons and roadsters offered by Sam Sherman in New York. I went through a ton of "Restorer" back issues until I found one of his ads in a 1974 issue. He advertised cars like this for a couple years. I wonder where they all went and what happened to them? Those 1974 prices seem cheap today, but were kind of on the high side even back then, considering the buyer still had to pay shipping, import duties and taxes on top of the selling price!
Marshall

 

[jeepguy1948]

Ok Synchro, what is a Dickie Seat? I trust that it is not a rumble seat.

 

[Synchro909]

Ok Synchro, what is a Dickie Seat? I trust that it is not a rumble seat.

One and the same!

 

[panhead_pete]

Great result so far. Good to see some RHD Model As in the US.

 

[Brentwood Bob]

When you open the valve cover, and clean, include clearing the channels to the cam and mains. Likely plugged up.

 

[40 Deluxe]

For one thing, those valves are way past useful. The margins along the top edges are gone. These are important to help dissipate heat from the valve heads. These valves have been refaced too many times, removing the margins.
Also, the seats in the block are too deep. The valve heads should above the block, not inside or level with the deck. The seats have been ground too many times, which lowers the valve heads. Sitting that low in the block, the heads will overheat, especially the exhaust valves. I am guessing the damage you see around the valve heads was caused by these conditions.
The cylinders look as though the rings have been scraping due to dirty oil or overheating.
Just from the photos you posted, I'd say this engine is due for some MAJOR machine work = new valve seats installed, new valves, bore the cylinders for the next size pistons, etc. If this engine runs at all, you'll be lucky. I wouldn't trust it driving to McDonald's, though. And you can bet there are more problems inside the engine than what we see in the photos, such as broken bearing Babbitt.
'Sorry.
Marshall

None of which will keep it from running! Engines in this condition used to be driven cross country! Gas stations and parts stores used to sell "re-refined" oil for cheap. You just added oil as needed and kept going. If a spark plug fouled, you scraped it out with a pocket knife, etc. and kept going. Certainly no problem going to the local drive-in for a cone or a root beer and back home!