Backfire!!!!

My car has always (6 months) had a tendency to backfire - but not too bad. There was a leak on the exhaust manifold so this has all been machined flat and refitted. Now no leak but unbelievable backfire. "Sounds like Afghanistan" as my son put it. It will run ok for about 2 miles then it all starts - scares me and everybody within 1/4 mile. It lasts for about 30 seconds then is ok for the next 2 miles before it all starts again. We had the head off at the same time as the manifold and all the valves "looked" good. Any suggestions?
 
How - very loud and sharp succession of bangs. Seems to be coming from the exhaust most of the time but also back through the carb. When - It will start to do it just driving along at a steady speed - say 40mph. When it does start on no throttle down hill it is slightly reduced by a bit of throttle.
 
Make sure you have good connections everywhere.If you have a bad connection between the generator and battery anywhere actual battery voltage will come and go.When that happens the generator will put out up to 40 volts,and that will give you some strange backfires.Fuse holders will do this if poor quality,old,loose,etc.
 
All good suggestions. I hadn't thought of the condenser as I've just fitted a new one!! - at the same time as the manifold work. Wonder if that could be it? Will have to recover the old one - if I can find it in the bin.
 
Is the engine missing when it's backfiring? Any loss of power? Sounds like it could be a lean mixture backfire, but that's usually associated with poor power production. I have similar problem when it's time to change my fuel filter.
 
There is a loss of power when it is having a fit - but normally it runs fine with no loss of power. I don't have a fuel filter fitted.
 
Want a REALLY spectacular backfire? Try timing the engine 180 degrees out. Did this by accident in my initial A ownership days. Thought I'd find nuts and bolts and other parts strewn in the wake. Did cause my nephew, who was helping me, to have ringing ears for several hours, and the need to change underwear.
 
A clogged fuel filter is only one way the car could be running lean...sticky float, leaky intake (though I realize you just fixed one source of this), clogged jet, rust flakes in tank blocking the outflow, etc. Just throwing that out there...kind of fits with the sporadic nature of the problem.
 
Poor contacts in the ignition switch caused my car to have a lot of loud backfires.
I was lucky my Aires muffler didn't blow apart.
 
Low fuel in the carb can have a similar effect. Be sure the end of the fuel line isn't inserted too far into the sediment bulb. The line should extend through the brass ferrule about 1/18" but some folks slide the line too far in before tightening the first time which crimps the ferrule onto the line.

I don't believe the same error at the carb end can cause the same restriction but check it anyway.
 
My initial instinct was to say burnt valves - but that wouldn't give the sporadic nature of the backfires. Fuel shortage and/or electrical fault are favourites out of this wide choice. We're off on holiday next week so won't have chance to test for a while. Keep the ideas coming.
 
Backfiring is unburned gas exploding when enough of it accumulates in the exhaust system. Anything that interferes with gas burning sufficiently in the combustion chambers will result in backfiring. There is a near infinity of possible causes, including electrical, fuel, and air issues. If this thread runs long enough, you'll hear them all.

If the problem occurs mainly under load, the cause is almost certainly electrical, i.e., inadequate spark. This is because under load, the throttle is wide open and the rpm's are reasonably low, so the engine can breathe deeply, the pressure in the combustion chamber is high making it most difficult for the spark to jump the plug gap. Anything in the in the ignition circuit could be the culprit: Make sure it is tuned up correctly, and there is no shorting-to-ground via tracks or cracks on the distributor cap or body or plug porcelains or wires.

If the backfiring occurs mainly under idle or light load--especially at high rpm--like when roaring down a hill, decelerating, or shifting gears, the problem is probably fuel related. Paradoxically, too lean a mixture can cause cause accumulation of unburned gas in the exhaust system and backfiring. This is because if the mixture is too lean, the sparkplugs can't light it, so out the exhaust it goes.

What's going on when the engine is decelerating is that the throttle is closed and the engine is revving--this is a recipe for too-lean a mixture a mixture. The spark plug is trying to fire on every compression stroke, which are coming fast and furious, but the only gas being supplied is from the idle circuit, which is hopelessly inadequate for the demand. That's not enough gas to support combustion by the spark plug, so off it goes to the muffler. Do what you can to avoid high rpms with the throttle closed: don't back down in low gears and do your gear shifting at lower rpms.

Of course, if the carb is set too lean, or there is an intake vacuum leak letting too much air into the intake manifold, or if there is a fuel restriction of any sort (e.g., clogged fuel filter or jet), those all could cause too-lean mixture under normal running conditions. In all of these cases, a quick-fix straw to grasp at is to open the gas adjustment valve (on choke rod) a turn or two. If that helps, the problem is definitely fuel related, not electrical.

Another source of backfiring is a leak in the exhaust connections. This is normally a problem after shutting down the motor, whereupon fresh air is sucked into the fuel-loaded exhaust system as it cools down. This could be either at the manifold, which you claim to have eliminated, or at the exhaust pipe clamp. But, since your problem occurs when going down the road, when there is always positive pressure in the exhaust system (unless something is really screwed up with the valves), I don't think this is your problem.

In your case, since the problem is intermittent and sometimes at steady highway speeds, I agree with Keith that it's probably electrical. Tighten EVERY single connection and check for possible shorts EVERYWHERE in the ignition primary and secondary circuits. You can try putting a jumper wire around the ignition switch and the ammeter (junction box lugs) to eliminate those contacts.

However, as others have suggested, strange things can happen when rust flakes, etc. are bouncing around the float bowl. If at all possible, swap your carb, jus to be sure that's not the problem.

The problem WILL be found!

Steve
 
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Once it starts does it get worse if trying to accelerate ? So, just another thing to try. Try loosening the fuel cap.
 
I had this problem a few years back. Found out the wire running through the metal sleve to the coil was shorting out. run new wire never has happened again. Just a thought.
 
Low fuel in the carb can have a similar effect. Be sure the end of the fuel line isn't inserted too far into the sediment bulb. The line should extend through the brass ferrule about 1/18" but some folks slide the line too far in before tightening the first time which crimps the ferrule onto the line.

I don't believe the same error at the carb end can cause the same restriction but check it anyway.

Had the same problem - within 30-40 minutes of driving the car would start coughing through the carb. Despite great idle and restart but if I let out the clutch the party was over as I had no power until the car sat for hour or so and the whole scenario would repeat.

Fought this for quite a while changing out stuff like coil, dist, and eventually discovered the fuel line going into the carb was way too long. We ground it down to 1/8" beyond the ferrule and so far no more problem. I made the fuel line and although I had it out on numerous occasions trying to fix this problem I never gave it a second thought until a friend helping me noticed it. :rolleyes:
 
These ideas are brilliant - thank you. I share Steve's view that it will be found. The opinion seems to be split between fuel and electricals. What's confusing me is that after a short period of madness, it all dies down and off we go. So the problem is intermittent - don't you hate them. A loose connection, frayed wire (it has all been rewired). The fuel side is also interesting. Could it be some debris in the tank moving about and blocking the outlet from time to time? Has anybody experienced this?
 
It's a bit tougher to think of how fuel supply can be intermittent. Remember, the car can run perfectly fine for a few minutes after you completely close the gas shutoff valve. Seems to me intermittent blockage directly at a carb jet is needed--have you at least removed the carb bottom to see if there's little poopies washing around in the float bowl? It's only one bolt on the Zenith carbs.

Does opening the GAV diminish the backfiring? That's an easy test for fuel restriction, if it's not too serious.
 
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What does fuel flow look like if you disc line at the carb and let it run for a couple of minutes into a can??
Paul in CT
 
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