A few questions on a 8BA
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Los_Control
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I would seriously consider junking both the 11 inch clutch and the 4 speed transmission. Unless you are planning on using it for a logging truck!
Not exactly a logging truck, but yeah it will be maybe a shop truck? I will use it to drive to the lumber store or the grocery store on a daily basis. Top speed limit in town is 35 mph. The frontage road is 55 mph to the next town ... where we drive our tractors from one field to the next ... 20 mph is good, just do what you can.
I would be replacing a 6 cyl 3 on the tree with a V8 4spd. I am building a truck.
So yeah, the V8 4spd, cab lights, cb radio, west coast mirrors, dual antenna ... thats what am building. Yes I may use it to pull a logging truck out of the woods ... I want the big clutch.
Not exactly a logging truck, but yeah it will be maybe a shop truck? I will use it to drive to the lumber store or the grocery store on a daily basis. Top speed limit in town is 35 mph. The frontage road is 55 mph to the next town ... where we drive our tractors from one field to the next ... 20 mph is good, just do what you can.
I would be replacing a 6 cyl 3 on the tree with a V8 4spd. I am building a truck.
So yeah, the V8 4spd, cab lights, cb radio, west coast mirrors, dual antenna ... thats what am building. Yes I may use it to pull a logging truck out of the woods ... I want the big clutch.
tubman
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Ah ha! I also have a brand new 11" clutch and pressure plate that I got in a bunch of parts about 10 years ago. I never tried to sell it because nobody wants them. IIRC, it's a "CenterForce".
It's new in the box and you can have it for shipping costs. (I'm downsizing my shop so my kids won't hate me.)
It's new in the box and you can have it for shipping costs. (I'm downsizing my shop so my kids won't hate me.)
V8COOPMAN
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Los_Control
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Now you making me feel bad, I am not here for free items.
I have a tremendous amount of respect for @tubman because they step up and attempt to make a difference in the world.
I have my condenser all ready to go & I thank tubman for building it and supply it to us in the wild.
I love the idea they have created a fix for a 6 volt positive ground tach. I am going to go 12 volt & not need it.
Just the fact @tubman steps up and helps the community in their own way ... I am not here asking for free parts for my truck. Though we may be able to work a deal
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Los_Control
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Well it will need to be packaged up for shipping, my zipcode is 79512. I would love to have the 11" clutch and use it.
You need to be paid for your time to package it & ship it.
I guess we would need to talk in pm to figure out what to do next.
You need to be paid for your time to package it & ship it.
I guess we would need to talk in pm to figure out what to do next.
Los_Control
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Thank you.
tubman
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I went to my shop today and checked on the clutch. The good news is that it is a new RAM clutch disc and pressure plate), still in the box. The bad news is that it is a 10" clutch, not an 11". Sorry, I could swear the guy told me it was an 11" and I never bothered to measure it until today.
No good deed goes unpunished however, but since you got me off my *** on this, I have a much more desirable unit than I thought. At 10" with a 1 3/8X10 spline, I thinks it's a regular pre '49 Ford unit. Sorry to get your hopes up.
No good deed goes unpunished however, but since you got me off my *** on this, I have a much more desirable unit than I thought. At 10" with a 1 3/8X10 spline, I thinks it's a regular pre '49 Ford unit. Sorry to get your hopes up.
Los_Control
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Happy you found a better clutch then what you thought 
I found my answer today on my pressure plate. A video of a guy rebuilding one for a Ferguson tractor.
Not exactly the same as our Fords, but all the main points are the same.
The Gentleman is a wealth of knowledge on many things ... I am now 100% confident putting my pressure plate back together.
I will spend $2 and receive $200 of fun completing the project.
I will post a video of part 2, which is the meat of putting one together. Someone may be interested in it. I also watched part 1 which was very informative. I thought.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k35xYryhuqY
Main goal at this moment is to get my tiny shop cleaned up and organized. This pressure plate has been taking up bench space. I just had to decide to keep it or toss it. I'm keeping it.
Please do not feel bad Tubman, These things must weigh 30 pounds. I did not want to pay shipping for it if I have a good one here already
I found my answer today on my pressure plate. A video of a guy rebuilding one for a Ferguson tractor.
Not exactly the same as our Fords, but all the main points are the same.
The Gentleman is a wealth of knowledge on many things ... I am now 100% confident putting my pressure plate back together.
I will spend $2 and receive $200 of fun completing the project.
I will post a video of part 2, which is the meat of putting one together. Someone may be interested in it. I also watched part 1 which was very informative. I thought.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k35xYryhuqY
Main goal at this moment is to get my tiny shop cleaned up and organized. This pressure plate has been taking up bench space. I just had to decide to keep it or toss it. I'm keeping it.
Please do not feel bad Tubman, These things must weigh 30 pounds. I did not want to pay shipping for it if I have a good one here already
Funny how things work out.
I was going to say Centerforce diaphragm clutches aren't that heavy and work really well.
Los_Control
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Well what I have found out so far, putting the pressure plate back together went fine.
At least I can store it and if needed I will have it.
It was the rear main bearing spun and still welded to the crank. With the cap removed I can now rotate the crank & pistons.
Pretty obvious the motor was rebuilt with low miles on it. Crank has been turned and stamped .010 .020 ... I forget exact # but it has been turned. I suspect I will be looking for a good original used crank someday. Start with a fresh grind and new bearings.
I have a new question today, slightly OT and about tools.
I need to buy a engine crane. I think this flathead V8 is the heaviest motor I own. My choices are limited, pretty much Harbor freight unless someone has a better idea.
My choice is a 1 ton hoist for $200, or $80 more a 2 ton hoist. The hoist will live in a backyard storage area. I just have no room for it indoors.
will the cheaper 1ton hoist work ok with these engines?
Wife OT Dodge V6 weighs 340# I need the hoist now to replace it.
My daily driver is a SBC 350.
My current project is a flathead 6 cyl
Then this flathead V8.
I think I may use it 3 or 4 times in my lifetime, Maybe more. Stored out in a open garden shed (20 years?) Just do not want to spend more then needed.
At least I can store it and if needed I will have it.
It was the rear main bearing spun and still welded to the crank. With the cap removed I can now rotate the crank & pistons.
Pretty obvious the motor was rebuilt with low miles on it. Crank has been turned and stamped .010 .020 ... I forget exact # but it has been turned. I suspect I will be looking for a good original used crank someday. Start with a fresh grind and new bearings.
I have a new question today, slightly OT and about tools.
I need to buy a engine crane. I think this flathead V8 is the heaviest motor I own. My choices are limited, pretty much Harbor freight unless someone has a better idea.
My choice is a 1 ton hoist for $200, or $80 more a 2 ton hoist. The hoist will live in a backyard storage area. I just have no room for it indoors.
will the cheaper 1ton hoist work ok with these engines?
Wife OT Dodge V6 weighs 340# I need the hoist now to replace it.
My daily driver is a SBC 350.
My current project is a flathead 6 cyl
Then this flathead V8.
I think I may use it 3 or 4 times in my lifetime, Maybe more. Stored out in a open garden shed (20 years?) Just do not want to spend more then needed.
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Los_Control
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Thank you, that is good advice. The video I watched also showed that procedure.
When I first put it together, 1 finger was lower then the others. I rigged up a long bar foe leverage and was able to operate the pressure plate several times to be sure the disk was free and moving. Then all the fingers were equal again.
I got the crank out this morning. Not what I expected.
I loosened all the rods 1 at a time and tried to turn it each time.
Then started with front main and finally when loosened rear main it would easily turn.
The rear main was the problem. The cap came off but bearing was stuck on crank.
I used a punch on the bearings to remove them after crank was on the bench.
They came off easily.
Here are photos of what I found. Only cleaning I have done is with a dry rag and wipe the oil off so far.
There is a little discoloration that you can catch a finger nail on, and a little rust on the edges. I assume this locked up the engine. Then the bearings that go with it.
Just a random rod bearing, they all seem to be the same condition.
There is a couple of stuck rings, they do not want to rotate.
Anyone think that crank could be cleaned up with emery cloth without being turned?
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I wanted to add that the motor is incredibly filthy from sitting. It needs hot tanked badly.
I have zero faith in the cam & lifters being good. Couple random photos of the rest of the crank, again just a dry rag and wiped the oil off.
Everything looks good in person, except the rear main I showed.
I have zero faith in the cam & lifters being good. Couple random photos of the rest of the crank, again just a dry rag and wiped the oil off.
Everything looks good in person, except the rear main I showed.
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Los_Control
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I appreciate the reply ... Sometimes I feel so stupid. Sometimes when I write out a question then later read it back to myself ... I feel bad.
IMHO of reading back my own question ... I get the impression of... "HEY GUYS, I WANT TO BUY A CHEAP Tool ... WHAT DO YOU THINK?"
I should know better then to ask a question like that. Yet here I am
See I have a 1 ton chain hoist, it has some serious limitations. It will not pickup a 8Ba with the transmission connected. Remove the trans and it picks up the motor ... OK.
I think it is just my chain hoist wore out, but not sure.
Then remember I just want to use it a few times then store it out in the backyard.
I found Tractor supply has a crane for $100 more then harbor freight, $350, I bet it is a lot better.
I suspect to use it a couple times & then it will sit in the weather for 5 years, probably need to replace the cylinder to get it to work again.
I guess the best answer am hoping for is the 1 ton crane is a piece of crap and will not work for our engines/transmission ... Or it is a piece of crap but it will do the job.