A bad omen.....

The sky is falling. I'm starting to think people want the hobby to die; there's so much doom and gloom discussed about it here. I've heard the same thing said for several decades now and we're all still here.

A car museum closing, or an auction on bring a trailer is not indicative of the hobby.

In my area, a car museum opened up within the past couple of years and probably has one of the larger museum collections of Model T's and A's in the country.
 
It all depends on where you live. In our area the last two guys willing and able to work on Model A’s have retired. Although I am pretty handy with a wrench there are some things over my head and that I do not want to tackle. The day may be coming when I will have to sell off my two cars (for less $$ every year (if you don’t think that the hobby is dying look at what prices have done in the last 20 years)).
 
well in general, the projects are getting cheaper and cheaper and I am right outside of Philly.


7500 will now buy you a good running baby bird project wo a ton of rust. that was tough to find in the past.
Ive had a 29 tudor listed for 3999. for about four months now and not one inquiry.
that never happened in the past.
With diesel at 6.00 plus a gallon, most folks have bigger problems then the enjoyment of an antique. home heating oil comes to mind...............
 
well in general, the projects are getting cheaper and cheaper and I am right outside of Philly.


7500 will now buy you a good running baby bird project wo a ton of rust. that was tough to find in the past.
Ive had a 29 tudor listed for 3999. for about four months now and not one inquiry.
that never happened in the past.
With diesel at 6.00 plus a gallon, most folks have bigger problems then the enjoyment of an antique. home heating oil comes to mind...............

And food……
 
Not all Model A owners are Model A mechanics. And Model A mechanics are getting harder to find. The intimidation and cost associated with having to buy and fix and maintain and old car will definitely have an effect on the price of old cars. Plus, not everyone is interested in old cars. What is the solution, or is there none?
 
From the article “With him retiring, I haven’t found anybody around that I would hire to be able to maintain the cars,” Mr. Snook said.

Notice the wording "would hire"

I think there is more to this than we are being led to believe
 
Stories about retiring and moving on are just boring.When you throw in that the sky is falling people will read it.They just need Scotty Kilmer in there waving his arms and sputtering that the world is ending.
 
The entire spectrum of the Hoby has changed over the past 50 years that I have been old enough to understand it.

To begin with, the major reason why Model-A prices are falling is because the quality of the average Model-A being sold is absolute junk that is going to require major amounts of work/money to make them safe & reliable again. It's a simple explanation of the 'why' the value has dropped.

Secondly, most museums are a way for someone to 'hide money' because the owner can establish a 501C3 non-profit and create a way to travel with their vehicles, pay themselves as a curator, and access other non-profit entities to trade vehicles that could otherwise never be purchased. Vehicles in the collection can be sold along the way to 'maintain' and fund the collection's overhead. Once the time has come, the vehicles can be sold or donated. So a museum closure means nothing with regard to the overall hobby.

Thirdly, as I stated above, things in this hobby have changed. I have said it before, but 50 years ago, an average of the club's demographics was that 90% of the members restored their own car, and 10% purchased their Model-A restored or they paid to have it restored. That number is different today where 90% of Model-A owners generally pay to have the work done. The younger generation understands (-and accepts) the fact that a professional Model-A mechanic charges $100+ per hour for their services. They also embrace the fact that they must transport their vehicle to/from that shop which could be several hundred up to several thousand miles away. We all should realize that the older we get, there are more & more things that we think that we can do, -but likely shouldn't. It doesn't just refer to Model-As either. Cleaning gutters on ladders t our ages is a great example.
 
Stories about retiring and moving on are just boring.When you throw in that the sky is falling people will read it.They just need Scotty Kilmer in there waving his arms and sputtering that the world is ending.

Why did you have to go and mention Scotty Kilmer??! You just ruined a perfectly good day with that mental image!
 
The entire spectrum of the Hoby has changed over the past 50 years that I have been old enough to understand it.

To begin with, the major reason why Model-A prices are falling is because the quality of the average Model-A being sold is absolute junk that is going to require major amounts of work/money to make them safe & reliable again. It's a simple explanation of the 'why' the value has dropped.

Secondly, most museums are a way for someone to 'hide money' because the owner can establish a 501C3 non-profit and create a way to travel with their vehicles, pay themselves as a curator, and access other non-profit entities to trade vehicles that could otherwise never be purchased. Vehicles in the collection can be sold along the way to 'maintain' and fund the collection's overhead. Once the time has come, the vehicles can be sold or donated. So a museum closure means nothing with regard to the overall hobby.

Thirdly, as I stated above, things in this hobby have changed. I have said it before, but 50 years ago, an average of the club's demographics was that 90% of the members restored their own car, and 10% purchased their Model-A restored or they paid to have it restored. That number is different today where 90% of Model-A owners generally pay to have the work done. The younger generation understands (-and accepts) the fact that a professional Model-A mechanic charges $100+ per hour for their services. They also embrace the fact that they must transport their vehicle to/from that shop which could be several hundred up to several thousand miles away. We all should realize that the older we get, there are more & more things that we think that we can do, -but likely shouldn't. It doesn't just refer to Model-As either. Cleaning gutters on ladders t our ages is a great example.


Your still cleaning gutters?
 
Regional demographics appear to play a role .Urban areas aren't always friendly to classic cars, concerns about pollution whether unfounded or not, lack of basic mechanical skills training in schools, fear of breakdowns, get in and go mentality without spending time and energy (not money) for preventative maintenance, etc. The national clubs' outreach to the younger generations is a positive step.
 
He's talking about how kids graduating from school now don't know about carbs and old school stuff, you have to remember that these new guys are not mechanics but are "technicians" I mean they have to wear rubber gloves so they don't get dirty, I mean come on now where are all the good old days with the oil, grease, carbon dust under your finger nails and in the groves of your callused and dried up hands.
 
Today's society doesn't really care about older things. The focus is on new, new, new. As a result we lose sight of how we got to where we are, the Model A is a vital piece of that journey.
 
Good Afternoon...McPherson College in McPherson, Kansas gives a four year degree in Automotive Restoration...Cars & Light Trucks prior to 1970 if my memmory is correct. Graduates love to take jobs maintaning collections. My Grand Daughter, Tara Feeney is a graduate and works in a Restoration Shop in Salana, Kansas...Ernie in Arizona
 
I don't know what is 100% true I offer this: My 14 year old grandson learned to drive the A about a year ago. I live on a large dead end in Central NJ...but lucky it's a light traffic area. He loves it...we go to empty parking lots and he drives around too. He can't wait to get a manual...probably a Saturn Sky. He checks the differential, trans, and oil. My other grandkids (younger than him love the Studebaker and the A).

Will they grow up wanting to maintain them...I have no idea but I do know young people today love old cars, old technology like 8 track players, old cameras...I just take the time to show them and let them experiment with anything they want.

I took an old flat head lawn mower engine off the curb and had my grandson disassemble it over the course of several weekends. He now can recite the 4 strokes of compression, ignition, exhaust and intake. He knows how it all works and loves it.

What's my point... I have no point other than this...people haven't changed technology has changed. Put a kid today in front of an old pinball game or Skee Ball...they love it. We have a place here called Silverball Museum...it's full of 1900-1970 machines all set to FREE. It is $25 to get in and you can stay all day... It has never failed me to entertain folks of all ages! People love to use their hands...I feel bad the E Age is upon us.
 
The hobby is never going to die.
I'm only 24 and yet have been wrenching on old cars and equipment for a decade.
partly out of necessity and partly because i despise modern machinery.
i think the museum business and a lot of classic car dealers are causing mayhem though.
 
>>With diesel at 6.00 plus a gallon

You don't know you are alive. Just hit $3 a litre here. My car takes 140 litres.
 
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