6 volt or 8 volt opinions please

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I am about to replace a 10 year old battery in my 29 Model A and it is an 8 volt. What should I replace it with a standard 6 volt or an 8 volt like the previous owner did ! The car has a 6 volt positive ground alternator. Thanks for the opinions.
Wayne
 
IMHO, an 8 volt battery is just a bandaid for a slow cranking problem. Also, an 8 volt battery will not charge on a 6 volt system unless you do some adjustments to the cutout relay. I'm all for keeping it original.
 
Your lights will burn brighter on 8 volts, but only for a while. If you're not going to go whole-hog and convert to 12V, I'd stick with 6.

Steve
 
I live in a cold climate ( Canada ) and I am told that in the winter with subzero temperatures it will make a big difference in the starting ?????
 
They worked great the first 50 years of automotive history. I've got the plain old 6V and generator in my A (My '51 Chevy uses the same battery) and I never have a problem with either of them. They will sit in an unheated garage in the winter and still fire right up.
 
If you plan on running the six volt alternator you would be better to go with a six volt battery. If you want to run eight volt that will give brighter lights and faster cranking. You would need to run the original generator with the Fun projects eight volt can style regulator. Bulb life would be shorter but bulbs are inexpensive enough that it wouldn't be of real concern to me. Don't get me wrong, I'm not recommending this. It seems that an eight volt battery would be harder to find when you needed a replacement. Good six volt batteries are getting expensive. The last one that I bought. at O'Reilly's was something like $89.00 it was the lowest cost six volt battery in town, it lasted about two months, They replaced it without question. the same thing has happened two more times in a row. There is not much that still uses six volt batteries anymore and it is hard to know how long the available six volt batteries have been held in stock on the shelf. I run our roadster on 12 volt with the original generator and use the Fun Projects can style twelve volt voltage regulator. This conversion requires the use of a resistor on the original coil or change the coil to a 3.0 OHM unit that is internally resisted and is readily available. The very mention of a twelve volt conversion upsets a lot of the guys here so I make no recommendations here about anything. I just state what I have done, how I did it and how I like it. I like the 12 volt conversion. Parts are readily available at reasonable prices. The only experience that I ever had with eight volt batteries was my dads old forties model civilian Jeep, It worked quiet well, the lights were very bright. We never had to replace the sealed beams for the years that we had it but it wasn't used for primary transportation. Its your choice.
 
ANY auto battery is getting expensive.

Seems they took another jump within the last year or two.

I just bought a new Group 1 six-volt from Advance Auto about two weeks ago, with an on-line coupon for 30%-off... came to $62 after returning the old battery for a core.

For what it's worth, I drove my stock, un-restored '28 all through last winter, parked it outside, and on the coldest day of last winter (-2 Fahrenheit, measured with a Taylor digital kitchen thermometer laid across the dash-rail ), she cranked-over fine and started easily.

Stock six-volt system, except for six-volt positive ground alternator ( came with the car).

Eight-volt batteries are band-aids.

With the gravity fuel-feed, it's not like you have to crank the engine over for dozens of revolutions to pump gas up to the carb... if your A is running well, pull the choke(for about two grunts, the let it go / push it in ), and it should fire within 2-4 compression impulses...

Think of it another way: these beasts will start readily with the hand crank, and that doesn't turn the engine fast at all. You just have to pull it past Top Dead Center - the spark and power stroke do the rest.

Good luck !
 
The medical industry is still using pure lead batteries in powering some portable equipment. Recently I had worked with a team of GE Healthcare engineers that evaluated all of the battery brands out there for 6 volts. This Optima Red Top won the competition.
http://www.optimabatteries.com/battery_selector/
It is out there at some chain automotive parts places and it is on the higher end for price but it out lasts the others about 2 to 1.
 
Part Number: 6V (8010-044)

RedTop®; Battery; UNBOXED; Group 6V; Cold Crank Amps 800; Crank Amps 1000; Reserve Capacity 100; Ampere Hour 50; Top Terminal; L-10 in.; W-3 9/16 in.; H-8 1/8 in.;
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i tried an 8v with little success . i lived in the high desert with 0* & lower . 6v did fine . slow cranking but fired up everyday ................. steve
 
I have used 6V batteries, positive ground, for all my Model A's, since 1962, have never had any problems. On my two driving A's I have installed 6V positive ground Alternators so if driving at nite I do not have to worry about adjusting the 3rd brush to increase voltage. Both Altanators have a max output of 25 Amps and keep the battery well charged. After just a few minutes after starting, the charge rate drops to about 3 Amps.

Ron
 
For over 50 years or most of my life I've run my model A's on six volt. I never had a problem with cranking them on six volt. I use to drive the model A coupe that I gave my daughter as my primary transportation. Rain shine sleet or even snow. I would get up in the mornings in the winter with frost all over it, get in crank it up and drive a few miles to the Chevrolet dealership that I worked at. I drove the coupe through the ninties and it was always parked in front of my body shop. It was sort of my trade mark and it was always with a six volt system. Even so I see no rule that I have to always run six volt if I choose not to. Not because I have to for a bandaid. I won't go as far as saying that i'm a master mechanic with ability that borders on being majic, but I do know how to tune and do all of the work that is done on them, mechanical, body-paint,electrical and install upholstery. If I couldn't do it all myself and had to hire it done I wouldn't have them. While changing to eight or twelve volt may be a bandaid for some, I do it as sort of a novelty because I can and believe that it is practical. There is NO rule that my model A's have to be any way but the way that I want them as long as I have the ability and the money to make them that way!
 
I love my Optima, which I purchased from an InterCity Battery dealer.
Tractor supply stores also carry them. Costco does not handle the 6 Volt Optmas.
You DO need a special bracket available from the vendors to lock it down since its a lot smaller than a Group 1.
 
Purdy, Tractor Supply has both 6V and 8V available, I can't recall the prices though. I was thinking of doing the 8V thing for a while. I did some research and found a company named "Trojan" that makes them for golf carts. As I recall, they were expensive.
Terry


If you plan on running the six volt alternator you would be better to go with a six volt battery. If you want to run eight volt that will give brighter lights and faster cranking. You would need to run the original generator with the Fun projects eight volt can style regulator. Bulb life would be shorter but bulbs are inexpensive enough that it wouldn't be of real concern to me. Don't get me wrong, I'm not recommending this. It seems that an eight volt battery would be harder to find when you needed a replacement. Good six volt batteries are getting expensive. The last one that I bought. at O'Reilly's was something like $89.00 it was the lowest cost six volt battery in town, it lasted about two months, They replaced it without question. the same thing has happened two more times in a row. There is not much that still uses six volt batteries anymore and it is hard to know how long the available six volt batteries have been held in stock on the shelf. I run our roadster on 12 volt with the original generator and use the Fun Projects can style twelve volt voltage regulator. This conversion requires the use of a resistor on the original coil or change the coil to a 3.0 OHM unit that is internally resisted and is readily available. The very mention of a twelve volt conversion upsets a lot of the guys here so I make no recommendations here about anything. I just state what I have done, how I did it and how I like it. I like the 12 volt conversion. Parts are readily available at reasonable prices. The only experience that I ever had with eight volt batteries was my dads old forties model civilian Jeep, It worked quiet well, the lights were very bright. We never had to replace the sealed beams for the years that we had it but it wasn't used for primary transportation. Its your choice.
 
When I googled that Optima p/n it came up with lots of sources from Amazon to Sears. Also I saw Advance Autoparts, OReily's, and several Tractor supply stores. I guess they use 6 volt batterys on some golf carts and overhead crane vehicles so there is still demand for these batteries. I see the Optima has a 3 year full replacement warentee and is completely sealed (maintanence free)
 
Like Purdy,I also use ^ and 12 volt batteries in my A`s. A few years ago cant rember who it was made a 12 volt battery that was a two in one deal it was tapped at the third cell for six volts and a full 12 at the last cell. This was mostly made for street rod `s ..........Dave
 
You asked for opinions... that is easy. Put a 6 volt battery in it. If there are any issues with the electrical wiring, go ahead and fix those. In the long run, that will be better than using 8 volts as a bandaid.
 
One of the guys in our local group stated that he just finished converting to 12 volts so he could run his gps. When I told him it only needed 5 volts to run he looked a little deflated. Unless you have accessories that require more voltage than the stock 6 I just don't see the need.
 
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