Milt/Las Vegas
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56 Mercury dual 4 bbls
56 Merc 2 4s
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Oldmics
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Teapots were used. I have the Merc documents on the system.
Two individual air cleaners were supplied by Helling"s and Stellings but had a Merc part#
Its a different manifold than the 56 Ford dual quad style. And again different than a 57 Ford dual quad manifold.
Pic is of an original unit I found years ago. Also notice the original paint color.
Oldmics
Two individual air cleaners were supplied by Helling"s and Stellings but had a Merc part#
Its a different manifold than the 56 Ford dual quad style. And again different than a 57 Ford dual quad manifold.
Pic is of an original unit I found years ago. Also notice the original paint color.
Oldmics
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KULTULZ
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H4000's (damn I hate the term TEAPOT) were used on the 2nd issue. I have come across some very interesting info as to the why. It also explains the rear carb set back on the ECZ-94524-C intake (EDEL FM-255).
Don't wish to re-start the debate but one cannot say just because one has one source of info, that is the way it was. You can NEVER SAY NEVER REGARDING FOMOCO.
scicala
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So you have Ford Motor Company documentation that Carter WCFB's were used originally on the 1956 over the counter 2 x 4 kits ? And I'm not talking about the single Carter 4 barrel 312's used by Mercury on some cars in 1956.
I would love to see that, and I'm sure many others would too.
Sal
I would love to see that, and I'm sure many others would too.
Sal
KULTULZ
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No Sal, I do not have official FORD documentation but what I do have is a very knowledgeable source that explains the situation. Once thought out it makes perfect sense, especially the reasoning of the ECZ-9425-C intake design.
To say something is not possible without ALL AVAILABLE DOCUMENTATION is wrong (and no, the documentation is not readily available but does not imply that it never existed or is in someone's private collection).
Just too many what-if's ...
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scicala
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Then, for now I will go on with my feelings that Ford Motor Company never offered Carted carbs on the Ford and Mercury 260 HP kits. Not saying some racers back in the day didn't decide to use Carter carbs for a performance advantage.
There is already a lot old documentation saying the kits used Holley 4000 carbs (LIST# 1268) which were unique for the kits. Never used by Ford for anything else.
Sounds like your not willing to share your information saying otherwise whether it be documented in writing or not, would still be very interesting for at least me and Oldmics. Not trying to argue here. Just open to all info.
Sal
There is already a lot old documentation saying the kits used Holley 4000 carbs (LIST# 1268) which were unique for the kits. Never used by Ford for anything else.
Sounds like your not willing to share your information saying otherwise whether it be documented in writing or not, would still be very interesting for at least me and Oldmics. Not trying to argue here. Just open to all info.
Sal
KULTULZ
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You have the right to believe whatever you wish to believe. I did not imply that.
We are talking MERC here. Separate DIV from FORD at that time.
The WCFB was assembled on a 56 MERC 260 setup. The H4000 was assembled later on the 56 MERC 260 setup. There are no racer mods entering the discussion other than then current factory sponsored racing team(s).
Sal,
You are already being argumentative. The info has been out for some time.
I do not wish to go around on this.
All I am trying to get across is that just having one piece of documentation does not give one the right to say that was how it only was and have a nice day.
Besides, I never heard the OP present either a question and/or statement. But see how a single response nailed it down to one person's interpretation?
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Oldmics
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I"ll be argumentative 
KT says
"All I am trying to get across is that just having one piece of documentation does not give one the right to say that was how it only was and have a nice day."
At that era of time a decision had to be made on the use of parts to homologate those parts for use on the race track.
Merc speced the teapots (respectfully H 4000) carbs and the rest is racer history.
I absolutly agree that WCFBs could have been utilised and probably were tried.
However those were not instituted as the homologated part.
NASCAR made the rules and those rules state on that the one piece of paper (actually much more than one) that Mercs utilised the Hollys.
I too have heard the lore of the WCFBs used on the early M 260 engines.
I have Merc documentation on the early camshaft part used in the M 260 but still never any mention of the Carter carbs used.
The intake was done in Edlebrocks facility.
I would have to assume that they also had a Ford 260 manifold for comparision purposes. Hell they had the Holly"s that were part of the Ford system.
I would suggest that Vic Edlebrock , Buddy Barr and Bill Strope along with Ed Isky created that Merc manifold .I know Isky was involved because he said so in an interview that I have of him.
Current day dyno testing has proven that Merc M 260 dual quad manifold to be far superior than any dual quad Ford came up with for the Y block and it is because of the rear carb setback location.
Proof IS in the documentation - All else is conjecture and speculation.
By the way KT -Would you be interested in a nice bridge that I have for sale in Jersey ?
I dont have any documentation of ownership but I do have a few folks who will swear that I own it.
Oldmics
KT says
"All I am trying to get across is that just having one piece of documentation does not give one the right to say that was how it only was and have a nice day."
At that era of time a decision had to be made on the use of parts to homologate those parts for use on the race track.
Merc speced the teapots (respectfully H 4000) carbs and the rest is racer history.
I absolutly agree that WCFBs could have been utilised and probably were tried.
However those were not instituted as the homologated part.
NASCAR made the rules and those rules state on that the one piece of paper (actually much more than one) that Mercs utilised the Hollys.
I too have heard the lore of the WCFBs used on the early M 260 engines.
I have Merc documentation on the early camshaft part used in the M 260 but still never any mention of the Carter carbs used.
The intake was done in Edlebrocks facility.
I would have to assume that they also had a Ford 260 manifold for comparision purposes. Hell they had the Holly"s that were part of the Ford system.
I would suggest that Vic Edlebrock , Buddy Barr and Bill Strope along with Ed Isky created that Merc manifold .I know Isky was involved because he said so in an interview that I have of him.
Current day dyno testing has proven that Merc M 260 dual quad manifold to be far superior than any dual quad Ford came up with for the Y block and it is because of the rear carb setback location.
Proof IS in the documentation - All else is conjecture and speculation.
By the way KT -Would you be interested in a nice bridge that I have for sale in Jersey ?
I dont have any documentation of ownership but I do have a few folks who will swear that I own it.
Oldmics
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KULTULZ
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Sal,
You read oldmics reply...
Do you see now why I wasn't open for debate? There was no disrespect intended towards you personally..
There are still a few points unanswered that will most likely never be answered but at least I know somewhat the development/progression of the MERC 260HP System. You can't entirely understand the system(s) with only certain period snapshots (IMO).
