40 ford spare tire bracket question

Lazydog40

Lazydog40

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Greetings...I have a 40 ford coupe project with a spare tire bracket behind the drivers front seat, there are vertical wooden posts each side of this metal bracket to stabilize the tire. These pieces are attached from the bottom of the pkg tray to the floor. Is this factory? because I've only seen the spare mounted in the trunk. Thanks!
 
No, that is NOT factory. 40 Ford coupes had the spare mounted in the trunk in a vertical position secured against the sheet metal brace (like you have seen). If possible, please post a photo of what you have.
 
I Am Pretty Sure(40 Coupe) My Vertical Brackets Has Wood Pieces As Described, And They Look Factory. Yes Show Pictures If Poss.
 
Thanks everyone for the feedback, here is a pic ( I hope) and I should mention the pkg. shelf rounds down to an opening which was filled with abount 1/8" t&g wood (what was left of it) between the back window and the shelf. The vertical wood pieces actually go to the top of the seat riser not the floor itself. The metal bracket was riveted to the bracket coming off of the shelf. Before I added back floor and riser and cleaned up the spare tire pieces it all looked like a factory deal to me. However....still could have been done many years ago by someone.
 

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I would like to see the factory mounting for the spare in an opera coupe.I have a Mark 7 aluminum spare mounted on the front wall of the trunk,but it's not right.
 
Lazydog40 said:
Thanks everyone for the feedback, here is a pic ( I hope) and I should mention the pkg. shelf rounds down to an opening which was filled with abount 1/8" t&g wood (what was left of it) between the back window and the shelf. The vertical wood pieces actually go to the top of the seat riser not the floor itself. The metal bracket was riveted to the bracket coming off of the shelf. Before I added back floor and riser and cleaned up the spare tire pieces it all looked like a factory deal to me. However....still could have been done many years ago by someone.
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Lazydog40, Is that photo showing what you see when you open the trunk OR is it what you see when you are inside the car looking towards the trunk? I ask this question because on the stock 40 coupe the spare tire is attached to a vertical brace that tilts forward, causing the top of the spare tire to lean forward. On the stock 40 you have to remove the spare by opening the trunk. Is that the same for your car? If your photo is of the spare tire brace when viewed from inside the car, someone has installed it differently than stock. I have attached a photo of the inside of my trunk. Sorry about about all the stuff. My car is a model 01A-77B DeLuxe business coupe with a solid bench seat with a (flip up) seat back and a package tray. Just curious.
 

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I'm putting my '40' Ford deluxe coupe back together now. I switched the wood block and spare tire bracket to the drivers side to make room for the battery, but it was originally (when I got it anyway) on the passenger side. The tire faces the trunk. My coupe has the jump seats behind the front seat. The attached photo shows everything pretty clearly.
 

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I am going to get a better shot soon. what I call the jump seat coupe has spare mounted facing aft,in the trunk. The 5 window coupe with the package tray some call the "business" coupe and spare mounted underneath the pkg shelf with the spare mounted forward and lift up front seat for access is more and more what I think it is.
 
Lazydog40 said:
I am going to get a better shot soon. what I call the jump seat coupe has spare mounted facing aft,in the trunk. The 5 window coupe with the package tray some call the "business" coupe and spare mounted underneath the pkg shelf with the spare mounted forward and lift up front seat for access is more and more what I think it is.
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All 40 coupes have the spare in the trunk. None were mounted under the package shelf with access by lifting the seat back.
 
19Fordy said:
Lazydog40, Is that photo showing what you see when you open the trunk OR is it what you see when you are inside the car looking towards the trunk? I ask this question because on the stock 40 coupe the spare tire is attached to a vertical brace that tilts forward, causing the top of the spare tire to lean forward. On the stock 40 you have to remove the spare by opening the trunk. Is that the same for your car? If your photo is of the spare tire brace when viewed from inside the car, someone has installed it differently than stock. I have attached a photo of the inside of my trunk. Sorry about about all the stuff. My car is a model 01A-77B DeLuxe business coupe with a solid bench seat with a (flip up) seat back and a package tray. Just curious.
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The '40 business coupe had the auxiliary seats (opera seats) behind the main front seat area.
 
Lazydog40 said:
I am going to get a better shot soon. what I call the jump seat coupe has spare mounted facing aft,in the trunk. The 5 window coupe with the package tray some call the "business" coupe and spare mounted underneath the pkg shelf with the spare mounted forward and lift up front seat for access is more and more what I think it is.
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Jerry is correct... no '40 coupes had the tire behind the seat. It was always accessed via the trunk.
And, just for the record - the 'business coupe' was Fords model with the auxiliary seats. The second model was simply termed 'coupe' this model had a package tray behind the solid back seat.
 
Thanks to all! Didn't mean to drag this out so long, have the Info I needed, very helpful for sure, new to the forum...Thanks again!
 
Kube said:
Jerry is correct... no '40 coupes had the tire behind the seat. It was always accessed via the trunk.
And, just for the record - the 'business coupe' was Fords model with the auxiliary seats. The second model was simply termed 'coupe' this model had a package tray behind the solid back seat.
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I don't mean to get in a argument here,but have always understood that the business coupe had the shelf and fold out seat whereas the coupe with the opera seats was called an opera coupe.I had a standard coupe with opera seats when I was in high school in the 50s,and that was what they were called then.A business coupe has always had a shelf with no rear seat.My son a 57 custom business coupe with no rear seat(very rare).
 
Milt/Las Vegas said:
I don't mean to get in a argument here,but have always understood that the business coupe had the shelf and fold out seat whereas the coupe with the opera seats was called an opera coupe.I had a standard coupe with opera seats when I was in high school in the 50s,and that was what they were called then.A business coupe has always had a shelf with no rear seat.My son a 57 custom business coupe with no rear seat(very rare).
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Nope! Kube has the correct info.
 
Milt/Las Vegas said:
I don't mean to get in a argument here,but have always understood that the business coupe had the shelf and fold out seat whereas the coupe with the opera seats was called an opera coupe.I had a standard coupe with opera seats when I was in high school in the 50s,and that was what they were called then.A business coupe has always had a shelf with no rear seat.My son a 57 custom business coupe with no rear seat(very rare).
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Hi Milt,
No arguments... easy to understand the confusion. Way back these cars took on the (inaccurate but popular) names you describe. Regardless of what the public commonly referred to them as, Ford called them as I described. That is, the one with the auxiliary seats was the business coupe and the one with the package tray was simply, a coupe.
Maybe a tad confusing as GM was calling their vehicles with the auxiliary seats opera coupes. However, Ford built them and I suppose that entitled Henry to call them anything he chose.
 
Bruce Lancaster said:
Ford coupes of all years have become attached to non-Henry names! 5-W, 3-W, Opera, Doctor's coupe...
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I forgot all about 'Doctors coupes". i restored a '31 Buick, series 90 (huge) that was termed an opera coupe by Buick. Still, lots of folks called it a doctors coupe. Thanks for bring back the good memory!
As far as all the different names applied to Fords over they years, I am a firm believer that now and again we owe it to each other to reacquaint ourselves with the proper terminology just so we can (somewhat) understand each other a bit more easily.
 
If you look in the back of the green Ford parts book you can see a list of all the models produced. In 1940 Ford made 4 different coupes.
They are;
67-A Standard Business coupe
67-B Deluxe Business Coupe
77-A Standard (5-window) Coupe
77-B Deluxe (5 window) Coupe.
The Business Coupe in both Standard trim and Deluxe trim had the jump seats.
This is just to expand on Kube's post.
The floor pan in back of the seat is different on the 5-window from the Business coupe.
 
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