35 trans pops out of second

Exact same problem I had with my '33. Mac Van Pelt is your man for the correct components. Mine now shifts like a new car. Many thanks to Mac.
 
dgkipp,

P.S. If you ever had a chance to look inside of one of the older modified hardtops (stock cars) that ran on the 1/4 or 3/8 mile tracks of the 50's or 60's you would have seen a hook fastened on the dashboard it was for the transmission gear shift lever to hook into!

It was to keep the car in second gear during the race!

Especially the Fords.

I know I was there and driving one.

Mark (just gave away my age)
 

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Mark Slight said:
dgkipp,

P.S. If you ever had a chance to look inside of one of the older modified hardtops (stock cars) that ran on the 1/4 or 3/8 mile tracks of the 50' or 60's you would have seen a hook fastened on the dashboard it was for transmission gear shift lever to hook into!

It was to keep the car in second gear during the race!

Especially the Fords.

I know I was there and driving one.

Mark (just gave away my age)
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I've heard the same. My modified use to do it.
 
I had the same problem,38 ford standard ,it didn't do it all the time. I went to macvanpelts got new motor and transmission mounts, pressure plate, throughout bearings, & clutch. It doesn't do it anymore. May be Mac needs to weigh in on this!
 
Kipp,
Most likely your trans is worn...2nd gear bushing, 2nd gear thrust washers,
etc.........but perhaps some of your trouble is in the shift tower. The tower you have
has a spring loaded pair of detents that work OK when everything is up to snuff.The
spring might be worn or broken, we've all seen that.
ALSO
There is a way to add an additional detent to the 2nd/3rd rail. This par-
ticular modification is 100% internal in the tower and does not change the external
appearance of the tower. It might be worth a shot. I have a few of these towers
in my stash. Easier than yanking the trans.
Send me a PM if you wish.
Charlie ny
 
I have had that problem on every '35 I have ever owned. I have rebuilt transmissions by replacing all suspect components and they still did this on a long/hard acceleration in second gear and then let off the gas for deceleration without trying to shift into third, or if I tried to stay in second gear going down a steep grade. I remember Charlie ny talking about a detent modification that he came up with on the shifter top that helps prevent this from happening.
 
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John/Kipp,
I'd love to take credit for the above 'fix' but I learned about it from a
long since departed Ford mechanic, he was around when the '32 was first introduced
at J C Stephens Ford in north Buffalo, N.Y.
For what ever little it's worth I try to achieve .005 - .007 end play
between 2nd gear and its thrust washers and fit the 2nd gear bushing to about
.001 clearance, then run the whole gamash in on my lathe at 1000 rpm.
over and out,
Charlie ny
 
There is a company in CA. That has set up the 5 speed for close drive line you can find it in Hemmings. I have talk to a couple guys they say best improvement since hyd. Brakes.
 
I've seen the 3-speed overdrive F-150 trans with 4th as OD converted to closed drive but I haven't seen a 5-speed closed drive conversion yet.
 
Mark Slight said:
dgkipp,

P.S. If you ever had a chance to look inside of one of the older modified hardtops (stock cars) that ran on the 1/4 or 3/8 mile tracks of the 50's or 60's you would have seen a hook fastened on the dashboard it was for the transmission gear shift lever to hook into!

It was to keep the car in second gear during the race!

Especially the Fords.

I know I was there and driving one.

Mark (just gave away my age)
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I needed one of those for my 34. I just got used to holding it in gear.
 
dgkipp said:
My 35 will pop out of second very time you try to back off. Any thoughts?
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This is repairable.....with a complete inspection of all parts and proper rebuild, paying attention to the various clearances that affect the gears. With any excess movement or end play, you can experience the dreaded "pops out of gear" syndrome. Correct rebuilding involves setting these clearances properly. When done correctly, there is no extra room for the shafts and gears to move apart from each other.......thus no pop out.

The detent spring(s) in the shift tower should be in good condition. Adding another spring or stronger spring would help hold the shift forks in place, but unfortunately does not guarantee to hold things from popping out. And it can make the trans hard to shift altogether.

The T5 trans option is a neat shifting trans .....five gear with overdrive 5th gear and fully synchronized. The major problem is that the installation is NOT a drop-in or bolt-in deal. Your early Ford center frame section must be fully removed. You have to change the rear end to open drive shaft. A stock banjo can be adapted to open drive....BUT it is particularly thorny to provide correct and safe control of the buggy spring banjo rear end. A better solution is to swap out the rear end with an 8" or 9" rear end, and adapting parallel leaf springs to the chassis. Many other little details must also be dealt with.....
 
You will find that if you "hook" or "hold' the lever in gear, it only puts extra load on the 2nd gear thrust washer and it will crumble into several pieces and fall to the btm. of the box and then you have no 2nd gear at all. It happened to me when I used to travel to an area that had a mountain range, and I used to hold it in gear on the way down. I am not sure what the cure is but holding it in gear is not the answer.
Johno
 
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