35-36 Ford coupe anomaly

[RalphM]

I'm still a bit confused, so what is the part number for a 35 coupe?

 

[mercman from oz]

You need Part Number 48-1433 B for a 1935 Ford Coupe.

 

[blucar]

I'm still a bit confused, so what is the part number for a 35 coupe?

As Trevor has stated, the correct tire mount for a 35 coupe, Model 720, 3 win or 770, 5 win is 48-1433-B. Now the big question is just what that mount is, no one has contributed pix and/or actual spec's/drawings.
I have a '35 mount, I took it off of a 5 window coupe over 60 years ago. The number cast inside of it is... 48-1433 A ... The part is very heavy cast iron, a two piece affair with the two parts welded together. From the appearance of the part I would say that the two pieces were cast separately, then welded together, the mount has a stand-off of 3.5". It is flat on the back side... which kind of blows the concave, convex theory out of the water..
I'll post pix of the 35 mount later.

 

[RalphM]

Thank you, I'd like to see some pictures for sure, help me to know what I'm looking for.

 

[blucar]

Attached you will find the pix that I said I would post to this thread.
The weight of the mount is very heavy, 6.5 #, it extends 3.5" up from the body. A normal 36-39 wheel is 4" wide and has a 2-1//8" back-set therefore the tire has a clearance of approximately 1.5" from the body. The bolt pattern is for 5 on 5.5" which will fit wire wheels '35 and earlier, and disk '40 and later.
The cast in number on the mount shown is 48-1433-A which reputedly is for model 700, 730, 740 & 750, all being sedans closed and open.
I took the mount off of a 35 coupe, model 760 5 window in 1952, it was on my '36 5 win cpe for over ten years.

 

[Randy in ca]

Here's some pictures of the spare mount off of an early '35 3W coupe. To somewhat add to the confusion, note the number on it is 48-1434-B. Bill, it's kind of hard to see in your picture in post #25, but to me the last number also appears more like a "4" than a "3" also(?).

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[Don Rogers]

Randy, The 48-1434 number is the number for the casting only. When assembled with studs it carries part # 48-1433

 

[weemark]

mine is cast as a single piece, its on a '35 roadster. I don't have a better pic of it because its on the car.

 

[blucar]

Interesting... I reviewed the casting number on the mount I have under a very strong light, the last number does appear to be a "4" A O. It is also very interesting that the mount I have is different from the other two. No stand-off measurements was supplied with the two other mounts, however, visual observations would indicate that the stand-off height is greater than the 3.5" my mount has.
I would assume that the line drawings shown in the 35-36 Ford Book is not an absolute illustration of how the bodies and/or accessories thereof were constructed, running changes would alter the finished product. The apparent difference of the location of the spare tire in relationship to the rumble seat lid from body style to body style, year to year is an example.
My background is not in engineering, it is in construction. In a well managed construction project, the last thing done in a project is for all of the subcontractors to note changes on the project plans detailing changes that their phase of the project required.

 

[weemark]

tbh blucar I think your mount has been modified, I wouldn't think it would have left the factory like it is now. Maybe it was modified to bring the wheel closer to the body and the piece put across the bolt holes to try and give it some strength back?

 

[DavidG]

Thanks to Randy in ca this thread now has a complete set of photos of an unmodified 48-1433-B spare wheel carrier for '35 coupes, roadsters and cabriolets. Note in those photos the slight concave curvature to the side facing the body to match the curvature of the body.

 

[RalphM]

Very good information indeed!
I am 100% smarter on spare tire carriers for my car!
Now I just have to find one oh, and a spare wheel. Thanks to Andy here on the barn I have four good 16" spokes for it.

 

[blucar]

Very good information indeed!
I am 100% smarter on spare tire carriers for my car!
Now I just have to find one oh, and a spare wheel. Thanks to Andy here on the barn I have four good 16" spokes for it.

Ralph, et all. The pix I posted earlier of the 35 mount that was on my '36 coupe for over ten years has the number 48-1434 A O cast into it, therefore it started out as a mount for a '35 sedan with a off-set that varies from 5-1/8" at the top and 5-1/5" at the bottom.
It is very obvious that the mount has been modified, lord knows by whom? I know it was not me. What the piece was tack welded to the lower portion for, is any body's guess, the piece it not well finished. It could simply have been tacked there to minimize distortion during the welding process. I do feel that the quality of the welding on the rest of the mount indicates that the welding was done by a pro with an arc welder.
The mount was cut down so as to have an off-set of 3.5", that being the off-set for a 1433-B, all coupe/conv bodies #710, 720, 760 and 720.
To try and finalize Ralph's question, he needs a cast iron mount that has 1434 B cast into it and most importantly has an off-set of 3.5" and has a bolt pattern of 5 on 5.5".

 

[blucar]

While reviewing "Randy's" contribution, #26 in this tread I noted that there is a faint weld line mid-way down the mount, this would indicate that the mount was cast in two pieces, then welded together. I also noted the the weld is in the same position as the 48-1434 (3) A mount I have.
My memory kept coming up with thoughts that I had another '35-36 tire mount. I went looking in my parts stash and low and behold I found two '36 mounts. Both mounts have the 2-3/4" extension for the lock, therefore they are for the '36 August cover.
Neither of the mounts have any part numbers stamped, affixed into them, nor is there a Ford bug. The wheel mount pattern is the typical 10" 36-Ford pattern.
The one mount has a 3.5" off-set, therefore it could be assumed that the mount is a 68-1433-B for a coupe and/or conv coupe, #710,720,760 and 770.
The other mount is the mount I posted a pix of in an earlier contribution, showing the mount on the rear of a 36 Tudor Sedan #700.. This mount has an off-set of 5.5". It could be assumed that this mount is 68-1433 A for any sedan body.
The construction of the mounts is two piece stamped steel, the two parts are riveted and welded together. The quality of the welds vary considerably, many of the welds on the 1433-B mount are cracked. Amen for rivets..
The mounting bases for both mounts are relatively flat, showing no sign of being concave, as it has been mentioned in earlier contributions.
The 1433-B mount, coupe, etc., shows signs of having been in an accident, the lower portion of the wheel mounting plate is slightly bent and some of the spot welds are broken. Not a big deal to fix.

 

[Randy in ca]

While reviewing "Randy's" contribution, #26 in this tread I noted that there is a faint weld line mid-way down the mount, this would indicate that the mount was cast in two pieces, then welded together. I also noted the the weld is in the same position as the 48-1434 (3) A mount I have............................

..................The mounting bases for both mounts are relatively flat, showing no sign of being concave, as it has been mentioned in earlier contributions.....................

Bill, I re-checked the 1935 Coupe mount previously shown in pictures above and it is definitely cast in one piece. The faint line I think you are referring to was only a stain of some sort which easily brushed off. This mount is also definitely concave about 3/16" on the side which meets the body.


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