33/34 Phaeton Register ??

[Ardun]

When I travel to West Virginia, in the next week or two, I will be bringing back all my information from the 1971ish registration drive. I will be able to tell you if your car was registered or not,
MIKE (mikeburch)

Hi Mike,

I registered with you and still have the original registry you sent me. The 34 Phaeton is still in my garage in pristine condition. We used it with our four kids on trips all over the West Coast, towing a repro Mullens. We did this with the Santa Clara Valley Roadsters. Quite a family adventure remembered daily.

My middle daughter has been enamored with the tub since she was a child, always cleaning and helping. She is now 51 and we gave it to her for her 40th birthday, although it is in my garage where i keep it up.

I also have had a nice 33 5 window coupe with a 34 hood & grille since 1961 and a 53 Customline with an Ardun in it. All are resto rods in very nice condition.

Hopefully, someone will take over where you left off.

Best,

Tom Stryker
Reno, Nevada. Formerly of San Jose.

 

[whizzernick]

I was a member of the phaeton register back in mid 1970's. I then owned #1513 (1933)
I did a ground up restoration. I showed the phaeton along with my restored roadster at the San Diego western national V-8 meet 1974. The 2 cars were built as twins( duncan blue paint )only difference was white wall tires on phaeton and black on roadster.
I sold that phaeton so I could buy the oldest (at that time) 33 phaeton # 64 . I have 3 years ago restored that phaeton. (several upgrades--auto trans C-4 --hyd brakes--
1/2 rack steering----washington blue color (32 color ) also the Frame # 18-177xxx is an 1932 # it also has the 1932 heavy axel . I believe this car was made in first week of phaeton roadster production.
I have in the past thought of doing the phaeton register again as Mike did just haven't gotten around to it.
Also I DID NOT modify my body or original frame. I used another frame
My roadster ( I bought in high school 1959 ) also has a low frame # 18- 234xxx

 

[whizzernick]

I just did a post what happened to it ?

 

[vulture]

Very cool. Any pictures of the cars? Was the second one a standard or deluxe.

I was a member of the phaeton register back in mid 1970's. I then owned #1513 (1933)
I did a ground up restoration. I showed the phaeton along with my restored roadster at the San Diego western national V-8 meet 1974. The 2 cars were built as twins( duncan blue paint )only difference was white wall tires on phaeton and black on roadster.
I sold that phaeton so I could buy the oldest (at that time) 33 phaeton # 64 . I have 3 years ago restored that phaeton. (several upgrades--auto trans C-4 --hyd brakes--
1/2 rack steering----washington blue color (32 color ) also the Frame # 18-177xxx is an 1932 # it also has the 1932 heavy axel . I believe this car was made in first week of phaeton roadster production.
I have in the past thought of doing the phaeton register again as Mike did just haven't gotten around to it.
Also I DID NOT modify my body or original frame. I used another frame
My roadster ( I bought in high school 1959 ) also has a low frame # 18- 234xxx

 

[v8fordman]

Here are a couple of '34's. The green one has been in this town since it was new. The black one was in a building fire and crushed on the back side.
It was a basket case that has been resurrected and turned out fantastic. I am starting on a '33 Standard which is going to be black on black and I think is absolutely beautiful. Add these three to the registry if anyone ever starts one.

 

[vulture]

Here are a couple of '34's. The green one has been in this town since it was new. The black one was in a building fire and crushed on the back side.
It was a basket case that has been resurrected and turned out fantastic. I am starting on a '33 Standard which is going to be black on black and I think is absolutely beautiful. Add these three to the registry if anyone ever starts one.

Beautiful cars and would love to hear more on the 33 standard . That is what I am working on right now and interested in what's correct for the standard v deluxe. Thank you

 

[vulture]

Here's a before and after of one we've recently saved that is now ready for final assembly. It is one of three '33 and one '34 phaetons I've had over the years.

Stunning cars and in black wow that's awesome. If you can please post some details of the standard . I have conflicting information on the some info like interior materials, handles and what is black or chrome Nickle. Thank you

 

[DavidG]

Originally there was lots of black. The windshield frame, windshield frame finger pulls, windshield posts, top irons, rear window frame (inside and out), and rear view mirror bracket were all painted black. The top, side curtain, and top boot were all black canvas with an off-white interior side.

An early standard open car had a "interior gray" painted dash (a carryover '32 model interior color more brown than gray) and according to Ford's engineering releases, the late standard open car dashes were woodgrained like those in deluxe open cars, but without the ash tray and cigar lighter.

The interior door handles and their escutcheons were bright nickel plated. The engine-turned instrument panel was chrome plated as was the surrounding molding.

The floor mats front and rear were taupe colored, the same as the deluxe phaetons.

The standard open car upholstery material was black/brown, the same as '32 standard open cars and all '32-'34 commercial vehicles and trucks. I am unaware of any material available at present that is an exact match to the original.

 

[luvel]

Any more out there ?

HI, I'm Luis Velez, from Colombia. In febrary came to me a 1933 Phaeton that another guy was doing but passed away. This car came from Uruguay and it was RHD. I think this car was built in the Buenos Aires - Argentina plant because they drove right hand until mid 40s. The car has been converted to LHD now but keeping its 4 cylinder engine. I know of two other Phaetons here in Colombia, one is a "33 with dual side mounts factory fitted and the other is a "34 V8 and both of them are american made.
I've been trying to figure out how the backrest of the rear seat is fixed to the car. There are a couple of female hinges riveted to the floor and the wood frame of the backrest has two small holes each side at bottom that i guess are for the male part of the hinges and the Body Parts List mention a "catch" to hold the backrest in place i think. Can some body help me with pictures of all this thing and the length of the half hinge that bolts to the frame which is going to give me the correct height of the backrest?
Thank you very much.

 

[DavidG]

The first attached photo show the seat back portion of the hinge plus the male and female catches that attach below the belt line wood on the upper back panel of the body (the female on the body side and the male on the wood seat back side). Also shown in the first photo is an original hinge pin. The second photo shows both parts of one of the hinges installed in my '33.

The female seat back catches show up fairly regularly as they were used on other body types as well (I may have an extra; I'll have to check after Hershey). The male portion is more of a challenge to find if yours is missing.

I'm away from my old car stuff at present so I am unable to provide dimensions.

 

[luvel]

Thank you very much David, that's what i was looking for. i have to start by getting that vertical channel that hangs from the belt rail wood to the floor. I guess it uses just one female catch that bolts to the channel and one male catch on the center of the wood frame

 

[DavidG]

Actually, the female catch attaches to a block of wood attached to the underside of the belt rail wood off center of the steel vertical strainer that you are missing. Therefore the male portion of the latch is not centered on the top of the back of seat back wood frame. I will have to check my photo files to find a photo to show their placement.

 

[vulture]

Does anyone have a picture of the rear seat springs top and bottom for a 1933. I had a few phaetons 32 33 34 and model a and have a few seat springs piled up. I can't figure out what's what thanks

 

[luvel]

thanks again David. if you find some of this parts extra, i'll be glad. my email is
luchovelezv@gmail.com

 

[HenryFord]

Hi

I have a 1934 phaeton in Omaha Ne. purchased it out of Florida over 10 years ago. I have trouble posting pictures but will try again.

 

[mercman from oz]

The above picture is of the Tub section of an Aussie 34 Ford Phaeton. Of special note is the Steel Floor. That is the only part of the Floor that was Steel on Australian built 1934 Fords. The rest was made up of wood.

 

[34Phae]

more Phaetons

 

[oz40]

Great work Rob, appreciate you and your friends effort in collecting all this information.
To us aussies here, this information is very significant and also a historical
reminder of the limited Ford production and body styles produced down under.
I dont think our overseas counterparts realise how limited and rare our productions were.

In 1981, I commenced a Model 40 Register for Australian made 1933-34 Ford Phaetons, to date there are 86 on register, regardless original, restored, hot rod or basket case, each has a cowl number 40P*** stamped on the left side of firewall. The lowest number on register is 40P3 and the highest 40P995. In recent years some of these Phaetons have been shipped to America and some to New Zealand. A few years back a fellow Ford enthusiast, who owns an original 1933 Phaeton, obtained access to Ford Australia archives in Geelong, Victoria. He has confirmed that 1007 Australian Model 40 Phaetons were produced and production commencing in July 1933 and concluding in February 1935 with the change over date from 33 to 34 style being Monday 12th February 1934. There were 1007 Phaetons produced, the first 420 were 33 model and the remaining 587 were 34 model.. 549 as Standard and 458 as Deluxe... 315 with 4 cylinder and 692 with V8s Whilst the American produced Phaeton and Australian Phaeton look similar, there is a number of differences. Mainly the USA version has an all steel floor, narrower centre post between front and rear doors and longer drop doors with no extra panel between sill and running board. Both have doors and cowl with timber framing.
I would appreciate contact with owners of Aussie made Phaetons, from their cowl number I can indicate which month the vehicle was made.
Robert Hayward

 

[Dave Slater]

Hey Robert, give us an update / estimate on how many 1933 & 1934 tourers are on the road or almost on the road in Australia. Dave

 

[JMFL36]

I picked up this '34 this past summer in NC. Needs a deep cleaning and some minor mechanical work before I take it out. Happy to add it to a register anyone is keeping.