32 coupe in fla with ny reg

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kurt v

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thinking about a 32 ford in fla owner says he has ny reg, i'm in sc MV says need a title, my understanding is the reg is the bill of sale and title. yes or no ?

thanks kurt
ps- i've titled a couple of cars from ct in sc with only a bill of sale because they were over 25 yrs old, sc said no i said yes look it up, i won. Would ny be the same ?

thanks
kurt
 
the reg is the title for a vehicle prior to 73 in NY..I had same situation in NM with a 65 truck and 66 motorcycle. I had no problem
 
DMV laws vary from state to state. A bill of sale is not a title. You have no idea where the original title may be. It could be used on another car at this point with the same ID number. You need to do a lot of homework on this one before you put out the money.
 
TJ said:
DMV laws vary from state to state. A bill of sale is not a title. You have no idea where the original title may be. It could be used on another car at this point with the same ID number. You need to do a lot of homework on this one before you put out the money.
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Absolutely. Most states are a title state . therefore trying to use a registration or bill of sale to get a title in another state is a no go deal.
Vic
 
One thing for sure, a registration with or without a bill of sale is NOT a title.

If you're trying to title the car in SC, then you'll need to know the laws/rules of SC.

If you're trying to title the car in NY, then their rules will apply.

What I can't tell you is if a registration and bill of sale from NY can be used to title a car in SC . . . ask the folks at the DMV and you'll soon learn.
 
When I moved from N.Y. to Florida I had to get both my old car titled so I could register them in Florida and get license plates for them. May be this person never put their car registered in Florida.
 
i would think that if registering a car from a state that does not issue titles in a state that does issue titles was prohibited, that there would be plenty of very unhappy people in the U.S. that needed to move from one state to another with their vehicles. and that is just not happening. it would be counter-productive for the state.

a bit of googling shows that even a state with some of the strictest laws WRT automobile titles and registrations, like California for instance, will register and issue a new California title to an out of state car from a state that does not issue titles. try typing "will the California DMV issue a new California title and registration to an owner of a car from a state that doesn't issue titles". the query is generic. to fit it to one's particular circumstances, replace "California" some other state.

and this google AI query: "are there any states that will absolutely NOT issue a registration to a car that's been legally registered in another state" gave me this:
No, there isn't a state that absolutely refuses to register a vehicle legally registered in another state. However, some states may have stricter requirements or exceptions for non-residents or those with out-of-state licenses. Generally, you're expected to register your vehicle in the state where you reside.

expect to do a bit for form-filling and data gathering though, and suggest one do their own research too :)
 
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Bought a 1935 car from NY state registered it in Md. NY is a none title state the registration is the title for older cars. But the registration must say transferable. Or just have the guy with the NY title, title car in Florida as part of the deal. DMV here knew exactly what i had when I went in the transfer.
 
The first concern of a state DMV is whether an applicant has a legitimately owned vehicle or a stolen one. They like any or all paperwork showing at least the previous ownership in form of a title or registration plus a bill of sale signed by the previous owner. If none is available then a court document from a local district judge is the next best thing to show owtersnership. The national government is now involved in ownership disputes where more than one vehicle share the same VIN characters no mater what state or states are i nvolved. One of the two will have to be reassigned a new state VIN to show identity for the vehicles involved. Every state should have this capability. I don't know of any that don't.

If the VIN characters match on one frame but not the other then that may affect the case of an applicant involved but sometimes it boils down to which party has the oldest legal documentation if both vehicles have the same VIN characters or not. The law can be funny that way. First come first served has precedence in a lot of cases.
 
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I would tell the seller to get a Florida title, which is what he should have done when he brought the car into Florida. I would make it his problem, not yours. He’s a resident, he should be able to get a title easy enough, unless there is something illegal in the car’s background.

And if you want the car so badly you go ahead without clean title, then that’s on you. Not good to want it too much.
 
Four months ago, when I needed to transfer a NY Title to the new owner (me) so I could register the car in FL I went to one of those private agencies in FL that handle all the paper work required. It was a lot easier than dealing directly with New York State DMV as they require lots of "hoop jumping". A week later I had all the paperwork required and drove the vehicle from NYS to FL. Of course, you need to have Proof of Insurance before you can drive the car.

Jay (above post) has the best suggestion.
 
JayChicago said:
I would tell the seller to get a Florida title, which is what he should have done when he brought the car into Florida. I would make it his problem, not yours. He’s a resident, he should be able to get a title easy enough, unless there is something illegal in the car’s background.

And if you want the car so badly you go ahead without clean title, then that’s on you. Not good to want it too much.
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19Fordy said:
Four months ago, when I needed to transfer a NY Title to the new owner (me) so I could register the car in FL I went to one of those private agencies in FL that handle all the paper work required. It was a lot easier than dealing directly with New York State DMV as they require lots of "hoop jumping". A week later I had all the paperwork required and drove the vehicle from NYS to FL. Of course, you need to have Proof of Insurance before you can drive the car.

Jay (above post) has the best suggestion.
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He would have had to pay the "State" impact fee on the vehicle, IF it wasn't a drive-able vehicle then he figured "why" get it registered here in Florida OR he just wasn't going to drive it much!!!!! Alabama "used" to be the same way as NY in that vehicles prior to 1976 had NO titles, just a tag registration....They have since "changed" and NOW IF you have a vehicle prior to 1976 then the State issues and send you a title at the time you renew your registration. As Jay posted above...making him register the car here in Florida and getting a Florida title is the "bullet proof" way......IF you are sure the car is "legal" and NOT stolen then I would have NO problem doing as 19Fordy suggested either!!!! IF you get the frame/trans number you can have it checked with NCIC and make double sure. JMO
 
Had not thought about having to pay two states’ tax/fee. That could be serious money, so I might take a chance and do as RockFla says. But only if I felt VERY confident in the seller and his story.
 
Jay, Don't take any chances. Let the experts do the paperwork for you. That way you know you are not going to have unknown surprises dealing with "the system". Too many questionable "Titled 32's" out there.
 
In New York (my primary residence) cars prior to 1973 do not have NY Titles and never will.
Ownership for those vehicles transfers via the registration.
On pre 73 vehicles the registration says transferrable.
On post 73 vehicles it says non-transferrable.
Over the years I have registered several vehicles in Florida both pre and post 1973.
On the older vehicles I have had to patiently explain to a supervisor how the title rules work in New York. Once they are satisfied and do some quick research, the process goes smoothly.
The best part is for $10 more you can get the new Florida Title on the spot.
I save every expired registration for my cars. If I ever have to prove continuity of ownership, I can produce registrations going back in some cases to 1979.
Sooo don't sweat registering a car in Florida from New York as long as the paperwork you have is in order. (proof of insurance, valid proof of ownership from previous owner)
 
As a lifelong resident of Florida (60 yrs), my Dad having acquired, owned and sold well over 150 vehicles over the past 59 years, as well as helped a few with vehicles coming into Florida from foreign countries......IF you can keep the State of Florida OUT of the process......DO SO....I would not get them involved IF at all possible......JUST my opinion.......A "friend" brought a WWII jeep from Holland several years ago, we told him from the start, let Us help you get your title, your asking for trouble IF you do it by the "book"...... long story short.....The State found every reason possible plus invented a few more to drag the title process out for more than 3 years, THEN he told them it was a military jeep from WWII and then more bells, whistles and buzzers went off and a whole new set of rules then applied and more red tape..... and we finally stepped in and got him taken care of, once we did he had a title in 3 weeks!!!! Just sayin!!!! JMO
 
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