29 CCPU window channel install

Neil, thanks for the excellent photos, they're very helpful.

Do you have a close up photo of the end of an orginal run that shows the rubber and cloth sewn together?
 
Neil, I would be most appreciative if you would be so kind as to measure that for me please. I have (11) Panel Delivery doors and (4) of them had the window rub like I made for my use. They all had the 5/8 x 5/16 stamped steel 'retainer' that was the same size as both my pickups and both of the Tudors. I asked for samples from Marco and Bill Sturm as well as others and EVERY photo and sample that I received were like what was in my vehicles, so I looked no further than to substantiate what I needed for my December '30 Panel Delivery.

The retainers in all my 'stuff' was a 'C' shaped stamping. Your photos seem to indicate a flanged stamping of some sort. I only seem to work on the '30 and '31 'stuff', so I am not very knowledgeable regarding '28-'29 cars, etc.

After I made a sample of my window channel, I submitted to some of those that were kind enough to provide samples and each of them asked to acquire some for themselves if I had any additional pieces left over.

Here is a picture that Marco sent me and it looks exactly like what I found in my own 'stuff''.

Then a friend with a '28 pickup cab tried them and it made the window hard to raise and lower. We found two things. I made my channels to fit original thickness glass (he was using thicker repro replacement glass) and his steel 'recepticles' were 5/8" wide but much taller.

When looking thru the archive (I used only the drawing dates, not Engineering releases) to notice that the rubber inserts faded out in early '29. I tried to use the rope inserts, but in trying to sew them in place they left a more warped and twisted edge over the length of the window.

I am very happy with what I made for my '30 and '32 'stuff', but lack a great deal of knowledge regarding the earlier 'stuff'.

I clearly see that yours looks to have a non-felt cover, but I would not bet my lunch money that it was that way for the duration of production. I did have the 'M' number for that material, but can't find it at this time.

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It's probably important to keep in mind that the doors on the 28-29 CC A/AA are really Model T and not Model A. Maybe the T parts suppliers have a run that is closer to original. My guess is that 'all' of the suppliers are just using what they find is available from wholesalers, unless they are having it made themselves.
 
Wow! Dan that piece of information explains a lot to resolve the issues that I have been having - THANKS!

Neil: Here is the information that I was refering to in an earlier post. The rubber channel varied from 9/16" to 19/32", the height of the rubber channel varied from 9/32" to 5/16". The height of the rubber channel remained constant at 9/16". It was specified to have a tensile strength of 500 pounds.

The rubber tube that was inside was constant at 13/64" outside diameter. In March '28 the ID was reduced to 7/64". In November of '29 the stitching that sewed in the rubber tube to the rubber channel was changed from4-1/2 stitches to 8 stitches per inch.

This information came from the engineering releases that covered the Tudor, (Pickup), Fordor, Coupe, C-Coupe, Business Coupe, Delux Delivery, Special Coupe and Taxi.

Regarding the material that surrounds the rubber tubing, it is specified on the drawing as M-5013. I am unfamiliar with 'M' numbers, so I contacted Howard and Gretchen Minters who are revising the standards to include some of this information relative to the upholstery (along with Marco and Bill Sturm). They recently came back from a trip to George DeAngelis' home where he shared some of the information that has not found its way to the archives as of this time and he presented them with an ORIGINAL sample of cloth attached to the spec sheet for M-5013.

I just got off the phone with Howard and he mentioned that it has the feel, look and consistancy of felt!

Understand that my searching was for my '30 Panel Delivery. It is probably also correct to assume that all this was not made at the same place, or at the same time, but I am comfortable that I followed correct information when I made my window channel runs.

Iam still very interested in the measurements if you would be so kind as to that.

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Hi guys, not trying to hi jack the thread but was wondering where I could purchase the door glass channel weather strip # A-79933 as shown in Neil's picture in post # 8. Thanks Gary
 
Hi guy,s I know it has been beat to death,but I,am still haveing ,got it yet.I only have one hook on channel replacemet do I glue or srew them in are they side with the widow,The pictures help a lot,could some one send more info.Rickmass
 
I have a bag of clips that came with mine and alot of rivets, my kit is 20 plus years old so maybe they stopped offering the other clips? I have alot of spares if you need some to put on yourself.
 
I like to buy the track with the hooks already installed on both ends, I hook the top and usually have to bend the bottom some to get it hooked, then bend it back again.

I haven't done a window channel for about 5 years, so I don't know how the current kits are.
 
This is a response to RockHillWill's reply of 1/25/11 (I am a year late in responding).

I measured the door glass run-retainer (a flat bottom "U" shape with curved flanges) for the 82-A closed cab. It is .600 wide (about 19/32) and approximately .250 from the bottom of the trough to where the curved flanges start.
 

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Sorry to revive 'old' topics...

Can anyone point to a source for the rubber U-channel? Checked the WEFCO webpage and couldn't find it in their online literature. Sent them an email and waiting to hear back...

Would love to go to Hershey and see what's available, but it's a long drive from ND!

Thanks
C.R. (in ND)
 
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