2015 MARC National Meet

A decade ago when I was on tour with a band there was a Canadian law that if you were bringing goods into Canada to sell you had to pay a tax on each item at the port of entry (before you sold anything at all).

Now I dont remember if this was a deposit type tax where when you would come back into the US you were refunded the money on unsold goods. The rate was pretty high if I remember correctly and we couldn't afford to pay this. We just hid all that we could and hoped were not searched.

This was a well known problem amoung small and medium sized touring bands at the time. The common way to get around this for US bands was to mail a bunch of CDs and t-shirts to a friend or a Cananidan bans that you may be playing with in Canada well before you left, then before returning to the US, mail any un-sold items cack to yourself.

If there is still a simular law that is in place, I dont think there would be many swap meet vendors willing to list each individual small part and pay a tax on it not knowing if they will even sell it.

Again, this was 10 years ago so this could be different or there could be exceptions for swap meet type goods, this is just my first hand experience qith bringing goods into Canada from the US to sell.
 
A decade ago when I was on tour with a band there was a Canadian law that if you were bringing goods into Canada to sell you had to pay a tax on each item at the port of entry (before you sold anything at all).

Now I dont remember if this was a deposit type tax where when you would come back into the US you were refunded the money on unsold goods. The rate was pretty high if I remember correctly and we couldn't afford to pay this. We just hid all that we could and hoped were not searched.

This was a well known problem amoung small and medium sized touring bands at the time. The common way to get around this for US bands was to mail a bunch of CDs and t-shirts to a friend or a Cananidan bans that you may be playing with in Canada well before you left, then before returning to the US, mail any un-sold items cack to yourself.

If there is still a simular law that is in place, I dont think there would be many swap meet vendors willing to list each individual small part and pay a tax on it not knowing if they will even sell it.

Again, this was 10 years ago so this could be different or there could be exceptions for swap meet type goods, this is just my first hand experience qith bringing goods into Canada from the US to sell.


Not a good idea at all. It is called circumvention of federal law. First of all everything that is mailed to the friend is also dutiable and if it is misrepresented it will be confiscated. The Customs staff have investigators that also work inland and can ask for the duty paid slip. If you can not produce it you may well be finedarrested and goods confiscated. There also is a matter as to whether Immigration will allow you to sell in Canada. The best idea is to contact the CBS ( Canadian Border Services ) as ask for an explanation of what is required.

Wayne
 
Here it is!
 

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A flea market if planned. Lots of Canadians buy parts in the USA and don't have trouble bringing them back to Canada. Why should it be different going the other way?

A decade ago ...there was a Canadian law that if you were bringing goods into Canada to sell you had to pay a tax on each item at the port of entry (before you sold anything at all).


If there is still a simular law that is in place, I dont think there would be many swap meet vendors willing to list each individual small part and pay a tax on it not knowing if they will even sell it.

There also is a matter as to whether Immigration will allow you to sell in Canada.

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Bringing this back up again. Does anyone, --preferably from MARC or the Meet hosts, actually know what the laws are that can advise us attendees what proper protocol is for this Meet's swap meet?


( :mad: I must confess that this meet is shaping up to be a real pain for US hobbyists who just want to come participate because of passports, off-site parking 2 miles away, potential taxes/tariffs on swap meet items, manifest of parts, insurance co. permission, hotel rate premiums, etc. :mad:)
 
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Bringing this back up again. Does anyone, --preferably from MARC or the Meet hosts, actually know what the laws are that can advise us attendees what proper protocol is for this Meet's swap meet?


( :mad: I must confess that this meet is shaping up to be a real pain for US hobbyists who just want to come participate because of passports, off-site parking 2 miles away, potential taxes/tariffs on swap meet items, manifest of parts, insurance co. permission, hotel rate premiums, etc. :mad:)

WOW...has been a breeze as far as all that is concerned. :D Simple passport that you can get from the post office, either a 30 day permit or 10 year, parking in garage, close by with FREE transportation to all venues, Hotel rates are very very fair or more less cheap when you convert to US $$ around 89.00 to 109.00 for all of them, all venues close together. Where are the issues Brent?? Passport is a no brainer and well known when you leave the country....what else, you need a title for your car if you are towing one to show ownership. Seriously I don't really see the problems or issues anywhere for participants. :confused:

Swap Meets will have to be answered by Joe or another one of the hosts, but I am sure they are simple like everything else.
 
I did a swap meet in Vermont , USA and had to get a Vermont tax number. Even if I didn't show up or sell anything I still had to file a Vermont tax return at the end of the year.
I would assume that Canada might need a tax number or a transportation bond. I was carring some old car stuff across Canada to Maine and they finally let me go through customs as soon as I convinced them that I wasn't carring more than $500.00 dollars worth. Otherwise they wanted a bond of some type?
I hope the National meet is different but that would be to easy.
 
WOW...has been a breeze as far as all that is concerned. :D Simple passport that you can get from the post office, either a 30 day permit or 10 year, parking in garage, close by with FREE transportation to all venues, Hotel rates are very very fair or more less cheap when you convert to US $$ around 89.00 to 109.00 for all of them, all venues close together. Where are the issues Brent?? Passport is a no brainer and well known when you leave the country....what else, you need a title for your car if you are towing one to show ownership. Seriously I don't really see the problems or issues anywhere for participants. :confused:

Swap Meets will have to be answered by Joe or another one of the hosts, but I am sure they are simple like everything else.


Well, ...let's see just how accurate you are Mark!!

I never travel outside of the US, so neither I nor my wife have them. Therefore we are finding we must travel approximately 100 miles each way to get them. Our local post office no longer issues them (only in larger cities due to Homeland Sec. Budget cuts). This now means a lost day of work for both of us plus the expense to travel. I'm sure there are others here who have no reason to travel outside of our borders in a normal course of life who would only be obtaining a Passport for this event.

As far as hotels go, I don't know what exchange rate you are on but the Host Hotel has sold all of the rooms that were blocked however the hotel is NOT sold out, --it's just that you now pay a higher rate of $169.00 per night PLUS tax. I believe they told us with the Tourism tax added, it was over 17%. By my calculations that makes it closer to $200 per nite Canadian, -or about $180.00 US. So much for your $109!!!

There is no free parking in the garage unless you are in the designated Model-A area. There is a $20.00 a day parking fee the hotel charges for everyone else. I know because we considered using a different tow vehicle that we could unhook from the trailer and use as a shuttle.

No one has openly confirmed anything about the "free transportation" to/from the Gale Centre. The verbiage on the website can be interpreted in different ways, ....such as during check-in there will be free shuttle. If this is daily shuttles, is this all day, --or just at certain select times during scheduled events there?

As far as insurance, you had better check with your carrier if you are trailering.

As far as the swap meet, maybe it isn't a big deal however maybe it is?? MAFCA just finished holding a meet in BC. Maybe someone can answer telling of their experiences what they had to do to sell their parts in a foreign country.
 
Well, ...let's see just how accurate you are Mark!!

I never travel outside of the US, so neither I nor my wife have them. Therefore we are finding we must travel approximately 100 miles each way to get them. Our local post office no longer issues them (only in larger cities due to Homeland Sec. Budget cuts). This now means a lost day of work for both of us plus the expense to travel. I'm sure there are others here who have no reason to travel outside of our borders in a normal course of life who would only be obtaining a Passport for this event.

ALL You need to do is contact the US Post, obtain the application, take a simple picture and mail it in...so no loss of work, no day off, no money.. Sorry that one won't fly with your loss of money to get a passport


As far as hotels go, I don't know what exchange rate you are on but the Host Hotel has sold all of the rooms that were blocked however the hotel is NOT sold out, --it's just that you now pay a higher rate of $169.00 per night PLUS tax. I believe they told us with the Tourism tax added, it was over 17%. By my calculations that makes it closer to $200 per nite Canadian, -or about $180.00 US. So much for your $109!!!

SO much...my 109.00 is right and actually less..
EX The Skyline Inn Niagara Traditional room is 89.00 and family suite is 139.00, add 9.99 per night at this hotel for resort fee. Please see the flyer I sent out as to all the facts and Keep in mind they are all in CANADIAN so do the conversion.



There is no free parking in the garage unless you are in the designated Model-A area. There is a $20.00 a day parking fee the hotel charges for everyone else. I know because we considered using a different tow vehicle that we could unhook from the trailer and use as a shuttle.


No one has openly confirmed anything about the "free transportation" to/from the Gale Centre. The verbiage on the website can be interpreted in different ways, ....such as during check-in there will be free shuttle. If this is daily shuttles, is this all day, --or just at certain select times during scheduled events there?

PLEASE see the flyer again for your transportation that is included with your Resort Fee. It is turning out to be a very cost effective meet for people that attend and will be very well attended. I think your looking for too many issues here and they are all very simple and not expensive at all. JIMHO

As far as insurance, you had better check with your carrier if you are trailering.

As far as the swap meet, maybe it isn't a big deal however maybe it is?? MAFCA just finished holding a meet in BC. Maybe someone can answer telling of their experiences what they had to do to sell their parts in a foreign country.


If you really look at the flyer is works out to a great meet for everyone and is very affordable. Good Luck
 

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If a family of four wants to get passports to go, The cost comes to $400.00.. That has to be added to overall costs.. WOW !!
 
Here in Michigan (probably because we are a border state) we go to the secretary of state ( DMV) office and get an enhanced drivers license or a passport card which is cheaper than getting a passport renewed. Valid only for travel to Canada, Mexico, the Caribbean and Bermuda. Good for 10 yrs.
 
I guess I am not too happy with the MARC event being in Canada. Having to get a $100 passport for one event to me isn't real good. It seems like there should be enough places in the midwest to have the event. I don't plan to attend next year. Maybe in 2016 it will be back in the USA and the midwest. It seems like having the MARC meet in the center of the country makes it not to difficult for east coast and west coast model A people to attend. Just my opinion.
Rusty Nelson
 
Mark, I am not here to argue with you however when you and I discuss something, you always seem to skew the facts in a different way than what I actually find them to be.

Yes, I could probably even stay at a Motel 6 for far less than the $109 you are paying, ....but if I am going to spend the time/money/effort to go to this Meet, I want to be where the action is. I have already booked a room there at the Host Hotel and I have the e-mailed conformation that lists the price. Contrary to what you may believe it will be about $175.00 a nite!! The reason is they only had a select number of rooms blocked at the special rate and after they were all reserved, it reverts back to the full price.


As far as the Transportation you mentioned that is included, I had already looked at that. The two free WEGO passes sounds like a great deal to get you around to all the tourist destinations, ...but since YOU have researched it, please tell me which WEGO colored route takes us to the Gale Centre where the swap meet, seminars, and trailers will be!! Maybe you will see a colored route that I am not seeing because it appears the closest one is the Purple route that gets you about 7 or 8 blocks away from the Centre.



And Fred, that is actually $110.00 ...plus the $25.00 'Execution Fee'
(I kid you not, that is our Homeland Security's name for processing!! :D)


The bottom line is it is what it is, and each of us must made a decision whether these obstacles are enough to prohibit us from attending. There is one other point that if you read between the lines with what Fred said above. So often we complain about where the hobby is going and why we cannot get younger families involved. It will be interesting to see how expensive this Meet actually is in the end (compared to other places) when all the costs to attend are added up, ...and if it is considered affordable for an average young family man with two kids to attend with their Model-A.

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I went to a antique motorcycle meet a few years ago in Canada ,leaving the USA and entering Canada with old parts was a snap , coming back into the USA 2 hour nightmare of proving what I purchased what I said I brought with me what was it worth ,,bla bla , guess I caught the wrong boarder guard that day:(
 
The good news is that the meets after 2015 are wide open so plenty of chances for you guys to step up and host meets on your terms!

-Tim
 
The good news is that the meets after 2015 are wide open so plenty of chances for you guys to step up and host meets on your terms!

-Tim


Mr. C, it is evident to me that the leadership of MARC is OK with the present direction. A lot of internal struggles of that group in the past couple of years causing resignations & hard feelings, ...and too much politics for me. Maybe others will want to play in that sandbox! For me and my family, we have already hosted a national meet like this one for another national club. My ego does not need to prove I can do it again. ;)
 
Will wait for 2016 National Meet, to rich for most that just have a Model A and drive it every weekend, attend local events, provide cars for fund raisers, parades, Memorial Day, Veterans Day!!!! See America!!!!
 
Brent, go to your County Courthouse to obtain a passport. Post Office is just a convenience point you don't have to solely go there.
 
In my experience of traveling to many countries around the world the US is the hardest country in the world for a US citizen to enter. Much easier to go to Canada than come back. ICE can be a real PITA.
 
Rusty, I can tell you from HARD experience that it VERY difficult to find some one that has both the ability AND the willingness to host one of these events. It is SO easy to complain from behind a computer about what someone ELSE has made a decision and commitment to do, rather than pitch in and actually contribute to the very idea that is proposed. You and I are friends and you know this is NOT a confrontational comment, but it is just DAMN hard to sit by and watch others complain about what other people ARE willing to do, or their method when NO ONE else has the testicles to undertake.

I have been involved in trying to get folks to hold a National event and have been part of several National events and shared responsibility for one National event, and you cannot believe how hard it is to actually get some one to lift even the smallest finger let alone help at all, and that makes it very difficult to sit by and hear others that do NOT contribute in any way have the balls to ***** about how some one else DID do it!

There are those that have put on one of these national events and they warrant close attention paid to their opinions and ideas but for those that comment with NO effort applied, I find it difficult to apply much in the way of value. It's much like standing next to a guy that is intent on pissing upwind!

As always, just my own thoughts.
 
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