1933 butt walnut

ford38v8 said:
Hey, it's a craft, sometimes an art. No two artists perform the same or even attempt to perform the same. Your dashboard is attractive and unique in its own right, and who knows, an original Ford somewhere may have been very similar to yours today. I do know that if, in my capacity as a Judge on the EFV8CA Concourse, I were to make a point deduction on your dashboard, I would fully expect to be challenged and reversed by the Chief Judge.
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Alan, as I commented to the well-known grainer that did my '33 dash: Everything has a name for identification; i.e., beer, colors, vehicles, cars . . . worldwide. The world needs identification; therefore every person's surname with genealogy, every thing must have a name. to wit: it is what it is! Don't You understand that???!!!

Again. . . in this case, I view the grainer 'going through' all woodgrains in his video FOR THAT IDENTIFICATION PURPOSE! He shows and describes every dash and garnish woodgrain including the butt woodgrain, the burl woodgrain, yes, as well as every other car-interior woodgrain that he says he does. Why? Obviously because he and the customer MUST BE ON THE SAME PAGE!!!
Therefore, I spend thousands of dollars ordering what he has described in his video, burl walnut! I receive butt walnut.

Am I not entitled to even what he says is burl walnut???

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How come you have not asked DavidG about this? He is probably the most knowledgeable person on the planet regarding 32 33 and 34 Fords. Unless you have the original plates and rollers used at Ford, you aren't going to get exactly what was factory anyway.
 
Here is a photo of an original Canadian 1933 Deluxe Ford 4 door.
It looks quite similar to what you have.
 

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ford33 said:
Here is a photo of an original Canadian 1933 Deluxe Ford 4 door.
It looks quite similar to what you have.
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Yes. As I've posted, . . . I spent thousands of dollars regarding my order of burl walnut. I received butt walnut on my dash. The well-known wood grainer will not return my emails, will not return my phone calls. He and his company made a mistake as I've informed him.
Obviously he does not want to admit it. But busness is business; make it right per customer's (me) credible complaint. Please read all my posts and replies on this matter. Thank You!
 
deuce_roadster said:
How come you have not asked DavidG about this? He is probably the most knowledgeable person on the planet regarding 32 33 and 34 Fords. Unless you have the original plates and rollers used at Ford, you aren't going to get exactly what was factory anyway.
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I have a number of posts regarding this, as well as a number of replies to those that have replied to my posts. I would appreciate it if David G would contact me on this matter if he wants to. I do not force anyone to post or reply to me and my posts. Thank You!
 
Mike,

What is and what isn't original '33 (or '32 or '34 on up) wood graining is a slippery slope. It starts with the photos. You effectively cannot depict the true colors of original closed car dashes without the kind of professional photographic lighting equipment to avoid lightening the image to the point where it is distorted. That's clearly shown in the photos in this thread. As for original open car wood graining, who could reasonably assert that that dash wasn't exposed to sunlight both direct and reflected and its debilitating effects on colors and gloss?

I have previously saved ford33's photo in #23 as I believe it to be a good example of the grain pattern used in both Canada and the U.S. on '33 model deluxe dashes. Overall, it is understandably on the light side given the use of a flash for the photo. I base that on several NOS glove box radio doors, ash tray covers, and glove box doors that I have/had of both the '33 and '34 grains. (The base coat appears to be the same on all '32-'34 dashes, ash trays, and garnish moldings.)

If you happen to have copy of the DeAngelis/Francis book, please look at page 59. The two photos were made by Ford's photographic department and while they are black and white they lack the brightening effect of ordinary flash photos. Both the '33 and '34 examples are fairly dark.

In my readings of various Ford literature I have not yet encountered the term butt grain. Further I'd rather not be in the middle of a dispute between two third parties.
 
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Mike,

One last thought given your mention of your '33 standard phaeton, of which I have one as well. I do not envy anyone with a late '33 standard phaeton or standard roadster as there is archival documentation that Ford adopted wood graining as a running change late in the '33 model year. Since it is unlikely the same as that used on the deluxe phaetons and roadsters, what did it look like?
 
deuce_roadster said:
How come you have not asked DavidG about this? He is probably the most knowledgeable person on the planet regarding 32 33 and 34 Fords. Unless you have the original plates and rollers used at Ford, you aren't going to get exactly what was factory anyway.
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Before my '33 Ford dash woodgraining, the grainer said that he had the original plates to do the job.
 
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DavidG said:
Mike,

One last thought given your mention of your '33 standard phaeton, of which I have one as well. I do not envy anyone with a late '33 standard phaeton or standard roadster as there is archival documentation that Ford adopted wood graining as a running change late in the '33 model year. Since it is unlikely the same as that used on the deluxe phaetons and roadsters, what did it look like?
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My name is Pat/Patrick; I have a '33 3w coupe. Thank You.
 
DavidG said:
Mike,

What is and what isn't original '33 (or '32 or '34 on up) wood graining is a slippery slope. It starts with the photos. You effectively cannot depict the true colors of original closed car dashes without the kind of professional photographic lighting equipment to avoid lightening the image to the point where it is distorted. That's clearly shown in the photos in this thread. As for original open car wood graining, who could reasonably assert that that dash wasn't exposed to sunlight both direct and reflected and its debilitating effects on colors and gloss?

I have previously saved ford33's photo in #23 as I believe it to be a good example of the grain pattern used in both Canada and the U.S. on '33 model deluxe dashes. Overall, it is understandably on the light side given the use of a flash for the photo. I base that on several NOS glove box radio doors, ash tray covers, and glove box doors that I have/had of both the '33 and '34 grains. (The base coat appears to be the same on all '32-'34 dashes, ash trays, and garnish moldings.)

If you happen to have copy of the DeAngelis/Francis book, please look at page 59. The two photos were made by Ford's photographic department and while they are black and white they lack the brightening effect of ordinary flash photos. Both the '33 and '34 examples are fairly dark.

In my readings of various Ford literature I have not yet encountered the term butt grain. Further I'd rather not be in the middle of a dispute between two third parties.
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I am NOT talking about color(s) Once again, I ordered '33 walnut burl. The grainer grained my dash in what HE referred to in his website video, as butt grain. Butt is not my word: it is the grainer's word. Thank You - "slippery slope"? Surely does not have to be a slippery slope if the grainer knows what he/she is doing, just as any other trade. Thank You!
 
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DavidG said:
Mike,

One last thought given your mention of your '33 standard phaeton, of which I have one as well. I do not envy anyone with a late '33 standard phaeton or standard roadster as there is archival documentation that Ford adopted wood graining as a running change late in the '33 model year. Since it is unlikely the same as that used on the deluxe phaetons and roadsters, what did it look like?
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My name is Pat/Patrick; I have a '33 3w coupe. Thank You. This coupe built in late December '32/early January '33. Glass is Ford Safety June '33. Thank You, DavidG
 
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Mike is deuce roadster. I was responding to his comment in #22 above. Sorry for the confusion.



With respect, 1933 model Job #1 was in January, 1933. The engine/transmission to your car could have been manufactured in December, 1932, but not the whole vehicle. Public introduction took place on February 11, 1933.
 
DavidG said:
Mike is deuce roadster. I was responding to his comment in #22 above. Sorry for the confusion.



With respect, 1933 model Job #1 was in January, 1933. The engine/transmission to your car could have been manufactured in December, 1932, but not the whole vehicle. Public introduction took place on February 11, 1933.
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Thank You, David! My problem; not yours!
 
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