190A Victoria Statistics

[Bob Bidonde]

Lately, there has been several chats about the 190A Model A Ford Victoria Coupe on the Ford Barn. I keep statistics for the International Victoria Association plus there are historical data in "The Victoria Book." Here is an overview of the latest data:

Final assembly of 190A Victoria Coupes from export kits occurred in Belgium 102, Spain 60, Argentina 330, Germany 2, Brazil 90, France 52, Mexico 97, Denmark 103, Japan 100, Chile 5 & Turkey 17.

Production of 190A Victorias took place in the USA 40213 & Canada 1398. Domestic & Canadian production ended in 1932.
All 190A production bodies & kit bodies were built by the Murray Body Corp. The transition from the Leather-back version to the Steel-back version of the 190A took place during the first quarter of 1931.
The price of the Victoria was $580 US.

Surviving 190As as of 10/22/2024, on record with the Intentional Victoria Association, are 663 cars worldwide not including hot rods. 393 of the survivors on record are Leather-backs. However, there are more non-hot rod Victorias in the world not yet in the record.

 

[Bob Bidonde]

It would be a wonderful benefit to our hobby if other Model A body groups kept records of the surviving cars & trucks from their membership data.

Trivia! Do you know that the 190A Victoria Coupe has common body & furnishing parts with the 180A Deluxe Phaeton & the 400A Convertible Sedan? It does! Do you know that the 190A Victoria is the first Model A body style to have 1931 features? It's true including the slant windshield 7 the radiator shell.

The last Victoria Coupe produced in the USA came off the assembly line in the Edgewater, New Jersey Plant in 1932.

The Victoria Coupe has a weight of 3375 Lbs, so its power to weight ratio is 0.01 Horsepower per Pound! So extrapolating from James Watt's definition of a Horsepower = 550 Ft-Lbs per Second of vertical lift, the Victoria Coupe can theoretically lift 550 x 0.01 = 5.5 Lbs per Second.

 

[Seth Swoboda]

Good information. I have a steel back Victoria. I'd have to check my body tag but I beleive it is a very late production car.

 

[Ezombie]

How does the weight of the Victoria compare to the weight of a 1931 slant windshield 4 door sedan?

 

[ronn]

Ez, the weight differences should be negligible. about 150 Ibs at most for the 4 door over the vicki. The vicky weighs in close to 2400 IBS.

 

[Bruce of MN]

I wonder how much training was needed to assemble such small numbers of kits? Maybe the configuration of the kits was so common between the models that it wasn't too tough for experienced men.

 

[Model A Canuck]

Interesting to see those Canadian numbers with less then 1400 cars being produced in Windsor.I wonder how many of those survived?

 

[Bill Cilker]

More Victoria information
All Victoria bodies were made by Murray Corporation of America.
There were 3 different cloth interiors. Canadian built Victorias had a leather interior option.
There were two styles of front seats, 3 different front and rear carpets, and one rear seat.

The next MARC/MAFCA Model A Ford restoration Guidelines update will have a Victoria Supplement.

 

[ModelA29]

The Victoria book is a must have for anyone interested in the Vicky. It's much more than a reprint of articles on the body style from the Restorer.
The Victoria Association serves as a repository for all the info on this unique and rare body style. They should also gather info in the hot rodded ones just to have a record that the body still exists - especially if it still has the body number tag.


Here's a Leatherback Vicky being delivered. The notes with it are: "3 men in front of automobile, Southern California, 1931. Subject: Veteran buying Ford on Bonus checks; Client: Bill Froelich, Ford dealer."

 

[Model A Canuck]

A few Victoria ads from the early 30's

 

[rickblack]

It would be a wonderful benefit to our hobby if other Model A body groups kept records of the surviving cars & trucks from their membership data.

Trivia! Do you know that the 190A Victoria Coupe has common body & furnishing parts with the 180A Deluxe Phaeton & the 400A Convertible Sedan? It does! Do you know that the 190A Victoria is the first Model A body style to have 1931 features? It's true including the slant windshield 7 the radiator shell.

One other thing: the late 1931 Victorias have a lot in common with the 1931 De Luxe Tudor Sedan; their interiors were very much alike.

 

[Model A Canuck]

190A? in the showroom

 

[Bill Cilker]

No
That is a 160B Slant window town sedan.

 

[Bigsnapper43]

I have a ******* Vick. Henry took 10 things out of production the last week of feb into the !st week of march. I have one of those. I sent Bill pictures when he was working on the new litature.

 

[art ebeling]

For quite awhile my Victoria was the earliest production Steelback in the Victoria Associations records. A couple of years ago Bob Bidonde told me there was finally one that was earlier. They are very special cars.