1941 Brake pedal retracting spring

[Brewsterbuff]

NEW PROBLEM, brake pedal retracting spring is missing. Where does the spring attach? It appears that the master cylinder clevis pin needs to have the end with the groove for the spring aimed toward the transmission and cotter pin end toward the outside of the car. I found a fitting that looks like a spring holder laying under the car (engine is out). Does it go on a bell housing bolt to attach the other end of the spring? None of these bolts look like they would line up very well. Thanks, Don

 

[Binx]

Don, if you could add some photos that would help a bunch. The '41 master cylinder has a spring pull forward on the frame.

Lonnie

 

[TerryOH]

I believe this is the spring you are looking for 99A-7523 for the 41 (8 Cyl) Brake pedal, it is 7.60" O.A.L.

 

[19Fordy]

Brewsterbuff, The springs shown above are various clutch pedal return springs. The brake pedal return spring is much shorter and stiffer. You can buy it here: http://cgfordparts.com/wwwsectionfiles/cg_cat1_brakes_pedal_pads_springs.html I just went out, jacked up my 40 Ford and took these photos of the brake pedal return spring - just for you. No one else is allowed to look at them. I think 40 to 48 are the same set up. The brake pedal return spring attaches to the clevis pin and then stretches forward to a very small hole ( 3/32 inch) in the bottom flange of the frame rail where it hooks into that hole. The tiny white dot you see in the 2nd photo is the tip of the spring hook as it comes thru the edge of the hole from the top. In the photo, you can see it to the left of the red grease fitting cover. Click on photos to enlarge.
Hope this helps, even folks who weren't suppose to look, but did.

 

[TerryOH]

The CLUTCH pedal return spring for 41 is 11A-7523 it is 7.30" long. The 7523 is typically a clutch pedal return spring number but like other Ford year vehicles the clutch pedal spring was also used on some year brake pedals, 99A-7523 is 7.60" long, the prefix, typically would make it a Mercury part and it was used on some Mercury's BUT it was also used on the 41 Ford brake pedal. The above is all from the green parts book.

 

[19Fordy]

Brewsterbuff: In lieu of the above info, please let us know which spring you need. Do you have that little hole in your frame?

 

[Brewsterbuff]

Terry, OH and 19Fordy,
Thanks for helping me out. Sorry it took so long to follow up. Many of pre-op appointments for a new knee next week. Terry, I think you are on the right track but I have no idea where the spring hooks to the car. I have attached some photos. If the little bracket (1 3/8" long and 1" wide) goes onto the bell housing bolt it is at a strange angle. If it goes any other logical place it looks like it would go through the shift levers. The pics from 19FORDY don't seem to match my car at all. According to the green book and also an original 37 to 41 Ford parts book it looks like the 40 spring is shorter than the 41 Spring.

 

[19Fordy]

Just speculating, but do you think one end of the spring hooks over the end of the clevis pin below the grease fitting in the first photo?

 

[Binx]

That frame looks like it is boxed-in.

Lonnie

 

[Brewsterbuff]

Obviously one end goes over the clevis pin on the pedal. Where does the other one hook to the frame, transmission, or whatever?

 

[Binx]

Don, I don't claim to know much about '41 cars since I own a pickup, but I'm nearly certain both used the same open C-channel frames. Your frame appears to be boxed but also appears to have factory-like lightening holes. So to my question: What are the first five serial number digits stamped in your frame forward of the steering box?

Lonnie

 

[V8COOPMAN]

Gotta remember that the 1941 CAR frame (not the pick-up) was the first year that the direction of the channel steel used in the X of the frame REVERSED direction, making the front and rear frame rails seem more boxed-like. DD

 

[Kube]

Terry, OH and 19Fordy,
Thanks for helping me out. Sorry it took so long to follow up. Many of pre-op appointments for a new knee next week. Terry, I think you are on the right track but I have no idea where the spring hooks to the car. I have attached some photos. If the little bracket (1 3/8" long and 1" wide) goes onto the bell housing bolt it is at a strange angle. If it goes any other logical place it looks like it would go through the shift levers. The pics from 19FORDY don't seem to match my car at all. According to the green book and also an original 37 to 41 Ford parts book it looks like the 40 spring is shorter than the 41 Spring.

The '41 spring is longer than the '40 for certain and is attached quite differently as well.
That little metal brace in your photo is in fact where the spring attaches to on your '41.
It seems to me it goes in the hole above the clutch release arm (transmission).

 

[Binx]

Gotta remember that the 1941 CAR frame (not the pick-up) was the first year that the direction of the channel steel used in the X of the frame REVERSED direction, making the front and rear frame rails seem more boxed-like. DD

Now that makes sense. Thanks!

Lonnie

 

[Brewsterbuff]

Wow - love this site

 

[Brewsterbuff]

Found a spring in the pit this afternoon. 7.6" long and the right configuration. Wish I knew where it fell off but KUBE sounds correct. Looked in 3 different parts books and all say 99A 7523 for 1941 Passenger. 01A 2456 is the one for 1940 Passenger and 1940 and 1941 Commercial. The VIN# is 186477402. I have 2 '41 Woodies which I understand were built on Convertible frames (if that makes any difference). The second one does not have any engine or transmission, so not good for reference. Don

 

[HD Rider]

This thread is over 6 years old and helped me out today.
My 40 pickup was missing the spring and the correct clevis pin. I got the parts from C&G but was unclear as to how/where the spring hooked to the frame. 19Fordy's pictures got me fixed up.
Thanks!
Paul

 

[Shortbed12]

Great pictures