Europe V8 engine block from Henschel – a hypothesis?

The Badger

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Europe V8 engine block from Henschel – a hypothesis?

No one has yet given any explanation to why there are a number of Ford V8 (3.9 L) flathead block from the late 30 's and early 40's, which are marked with an uppercase H in the molding above the clutch. The engines produced by Ford in Cologne had during the same period in casting, the letters EB (Eisenwerke Brühl). Engines manufactured after the war had the initials EB and F and K in the two ellipses.

Ford in Cologne had major problems with the production of V8 (239,4 CI) engines during World War II. Cologne was a primary target in the war, and was bombed intensively by the Allies. The bombings began May 12, 1940 and finished 2nd March 1945. Overall the Allies bombed Cologne area 262 times.

To ensure the supply of V8 engines to the German armed forces trucks and half-track vehicles they used every possible opportunity to get the engine blocks and complete engines. One such resource was the huge armaments industry Henschel & Sohn (Henschel-Werke), with the main factory in Kassel. The company manufactured locomotives, cars, tanks (Tiger I and II), and aircrafts and many other items for use in wars. The city of Kassel was bombed by the Allies 40 times. But it was only on 22-23 October 1943 that Henschels factories seriously were injured.

Henschel began with foundry manufacturing in 1810. The products were in the first half of the 20th century steam locomotives. The company merged in 1969 with Hanomag. The company Hanomag - Henschel was acquired by Daimler-Benz in 1974 and then disappeared as an own vehicle brand.

It is reasonable to believe that there were some of Henschels foundries that complemented Ford's production of engine blocks, and these blocks were labeled with a capital H and two dots. Although, without to use the Henschels star logo.
 

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Re: Europe V8 engine block from Henschel – a hypothesis?

TB,
Most interesting....a friend bought a '37 style Flathead from JOBLOT 25 or
30 years ago. It was an H motor with unusual components. Biggest was the metric
flywheel with 'extra' teeth. The tooth count was nearly undetectable but it was just
enough different to cause a second look. The head castings had all kinds of informa-
tion on them.
I'd love to hear any other Ford of Europe stories !
Charlie ny
 
Re: Europe V8 engine block from Henschel – a hypothesis?

The wartime FoMoCo V8 production is even somewhat of a mystery here in the USA to this day. Mostly in question is the evolution from the 29A (1942 239 cid Mercury & truck) to the 59A production after the war. The European production is a whole nother chapter altogether and many folks here in the USA know little or nothing about it. Myself included. Thanks for the info.

During the war years FoMoCo built tank engines like the GAA in the M4A3E8 Sherman tanks (big OHC V8) and Pratt & Whitney aircraft engines under contract as well as a multitude of V8s for all sorts of trucks & military equipment. Ford nearly went bankrupt due to his insitence not to make a profit that had bled over from WWI complaints of profiteering.
 
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Re: Europe V8 engine block from Henschel – a hypothesis?

The Joblot engines I saw back then, '37 types with firing order and stuff cast into the heads, were WWII and postwar British stuff from Bren carriers and trucks. Don't know about the H...
Joblot was a wonderful place in those days...I had sort of "trusty" status and was allowed to wander the warehouse at a time when they were buying up military surplus Fordage from Canada (and all the commonwealth countries running on Canadian militaria), England, Switzerland, etc.
England made '37 engines through the war, Canada and Germany made a variety of earlier stuff then switched to 1942 engines.
It was like getting into King Tut's tomb...and I was a grad student with barely enough money to replace my points.
 
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On WWII Germany...they were making '39-40 type flatheads for their main truck line at beginning of war, then switched to '42 type. The bits of parts book I have show mostly '42 parts replacing '39 type needs.
They did have 1932 type BB's in production (until 1940) and still in the army, and also lots of 21 stud trucks too.
 
Re: Europe V8 engine block from Henschel – a hypothesis?

The Joblot engines I saw back then, '37 types with firing order and stuff cast into the heads, were WWII and postwar British stuff from Bren carriers and trucks. Don't know about the H...

I have one of those engines. I don't remember anything else unusual about it, but I'll take a look for the H in the block when I find it next.

Here's a photo of a head. I'll have them at Hershey if anyone wants to inspect them.

The cast in number is 77E-6050. What does that tell us?

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Re: Europe V8 engine block from Henschel – a hypothesis?

77E is English built 221.
77 is 1937 commercial design, a basic engine built in England until the mid 1950's. Huge numbers built during WWII. Main difference from 78 passenger engine is just the iron head instead of aluminum and slightly lowered compression.
The E denotes Ford of England origin, and the firing chart is one England-only feature.
Engine is basically the same as USA 1937, with a number of modifications made aver the years.
We got tons of parts from these via Joblot in the 1970's, presumably from WWII stockpiles.
 
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Those are a different oddity. 77B is a USA number, and they are marked USA but have the firing order casting that I have otherwise seen only on English stuff.
The B there is NOT a variation marking, that would be at the end of the number.
I cannot find a listing of 77B in the few books I have here at work, but 77 of course means 1937 truck. I suspect the B is a really unusual part...a bus part. I think 1937 was the first year of the Buses Ford made into the late 1940's, and those engines had lots of peculiar parts to cope with ridiculous levels of overload. Alll other bus stuff I have seen carries a B, like 59B on the postwar ones.
At any rate, it is not English and so not a direct relative of the 77E.
The regular 77 USA heads are pretty common because rebuilders used them to replace rotted aluminum passenger heads.
 
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