New Rings Without Honing the Cylinders

new rings without honing seems akin to walking on black ice with sneakers

And there's a problem with that?:D:p

Actually I know too much about slipping on ice because 5 years ago this past January I slipped on my front step and hit my head on the corner of the cement step. Spent 6 days in the hospital after having brain surgery and had an unbelievable bill.:mad:
 
I have used new iron rings without honing many times on in chassis overhauls, i have seen much damage done from the remmants of honing in the chassis ---

I never had any problems from it

I have also reused rings, typically there is some oil consumption at first, the highest mileage rings I reused had over 300,000 miles on them --that car I only knew of it's use for 40,000 miles after, then it was wrecked
I bought a 420 Mercedes V8(with broken timing chain), it has aluminum bores like a vega has, took the rings off the pistons, cleaned the parts in a carb cleaner bath,put it back together, quart first 1500, then 3000 next quart, now 100,000 miles later it is about 2 quarts in 8000 miles

I bought a low mileage A engine at Hershey 2 years ago, still had 2 shims on each bearing , brand new rings, freshly cut ridge, honed, the babbitt is original intact, not worn, but it is full of silver specs, there was even a large chip from the ridge reamer that was rolling around the oil passage ---too big to get into the oil groove, when the babbitt is scraped the scrapings could be picked up with a magnet there is so much embedded honing debris
 
Many years ago I had a "strip down" made out of an International Scout slant 4. I was re-ringing it and after I got it torn down and cleaned the weather turned off bad. The engine sat under a shed roof opened up for several days. When I started back to work on it the cylinders had a thin surface rust on them because i had washed all the oil of with gasolene prior to the wet weather. I steel wooled them a little bit and built the engine anyway. It ran very good and never used oil as long as I knew about it.
 
I did a 283 Chevy back in the early 60's , without honing , I used cast iron rings never had a problem with it . But sense than I always honed the bore. I believe that you should brake the glaze on the bore, I think you'll have better luck seating the rings.
Just my opinion.
 
i recommend honing, using a rigid hone to straighten out the bore.

Jim, I am getting ready to hone a flathead engine in a couple of days. I was going to use a rigid hone. Is there a certain grit stone that you recommend?. I think I seen them in a medium and fine if I remember right. Mark.
 
For our year end class trips we loaded the school buses and went to the amusement park on the finger lakes. Is that still around?:confused:





You may be talking about Roseland Park at the north end of Canandaigua Lake. Unfortunately the park is long gone [in the name of progress]. Its all Hotels, Condo's etc. Real progress. It was a great place though and is sorely missed by most folks. The carousal went to a mall in Syracuse and has been kept intact and operable [ the last I knew]. The roller coaster I believe is still in operation somewhere [ I forget where] and is one of the largest wooden coasters.
 
Installing new cast iron rings w/o honing or breaking the glaze on the cylinders is like wacking off w/o lube. the feel and result just aint the same. WOOOPS my real honest opinion its late dudes and I had a really great day. sorry or thanx
 
Installing new cast iron rings w/o honing or breaking the glaze on the cylinders is like wacking off w/o lube. the feel and result just aint the same. WOOOPS my real honest opinion its late dudes and I had a really great day. sorry or thanx
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I have never used a hone when replacing only the rings. Have replaced rings in a 1960 British Ford Thames van, a 1964 Jaguar MK II, a 1988 Suzuki Samurai and several racing motorcycles. However, I have always carefully checked for sufficient ring/groove clearance and ring end clearance. Never had a problem.
 
When I was a kid, re ringed and Honda 175 (I think) . Didn't have a hone. Tried to break the glaze with 600 wet/dry sandpaper. Put it together, ran fine, smoked till the day I got rid of it.
 
Good news! I called my neighbor to see if he's run the motor yet that got the new rings and piston without honing the cylinder. He said he's got a few hours on it now and has no smoke and no blowby, so this one worked out well.:)
 
According to the Chevrolet speed manual I have, they recommend re-ringing without honing if the bore isn't worn enough to need reboring.
 
I'm just wondering what people that don't hone the cylinders do about the ridge at the top of the cylinders. A chamfer also needs to ge put at the top of the cylinders before even attempting to install new rings. A sharp edge at the top of the cylinders will usually break rings when attempting to install. There is only so much that a ring squeezer can do, a chamfer is needed. If a person is so worried about metal shavings and metal dust that they won't hone , what about the shavings caused by ridge reaming and cutting a chamfer at the top of the cylinders. You may get by with cast iron rings and not honing. I feel that its best to ridge ream, chamfer and hone. Then clean the block good before any assembly.
 
Purdy! you da man. You musta been on vacation; we missed your experience. I had to fight a couple big wars all by myself.

OK, now maybe you can help me design a left-hand thread oil drain plug for Australian cars....let me know what you think. dave
 
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