late 31 s/w Murray or Briggs

This Murray cowl has some D nuts and cage nuts plus this 'tag' From memory the only D nuts are in the firewall, which makes me suspect that that maybe the firewalls came from the same source?
 

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lets make this easy
open the hood and look at the indented part of the firewall
if its rounded like this picture its Murray
it will also have caged nuts like Marco said
if the portion where my finger is pointing is FLAT then its Briggs
it will also have D nuts in the firewall
its raining too hard to go out and take a picture of my Briggs firewall
tom

Tom, might have to rethink this one. Here is Mark Maron's 31 Briggs Blindback before I removed the engine and sanded and repainted the firewall black. No flat on this one.:confused: Now that flat spot on my other picture brings up more questions. Was this maybe a time thing?:confused:
 

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Tom, might have to rethink this one. Here is Mark Maron's 31 Briggs Blindback before I removed the engine and sanded and repainted the firewall black. No flat on this one.:confused: Now that flat spot on my other picture brings up more questions. Was this maybe a time thing?:confused:

Are you saying he has a Briggs body with a Murray firewall? See the cage nut where the speedometer cable clamp fastens.

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Tom, might have to rethink this one. Here is Mark Maron's 31 Briggs Blindback before I removed the engine and sanded and repainted the firewall black. No flat on this one.:confused: Now that flat spot on my other picture brings up more questions. Was this maybe a time thing?:confused:

I should have asked what you saw on Mark's 160-C that determined it was a Briggs body.
 
My mistake, the speedometer nut is caged. I found a better picture of it, and I also found a picture of the Briggs body tag by the right kick panel.
Now, the mystery deepens.:confused:
 

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That is an old reproduction tag. The seemingly random numbers exclude the Briggs body number prefix (153) so obviously they didn't have a clue what a Briggs 160-C would have.
 
Here are my BUGS on my 31s/w 160C for reference for everyone..They are located behind the rear "skirt" and also behind the dash rail very clearly!
 

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FWIW, I ventured into the cold storage part of my garage, and I do mean cold, to check the 160-C. I'm saying it's a Briggs due to the D-nuts on the firewall for the speedometer cable clamp and terminal box loom. It has the flat section of the indented teardrop, something I never knew/noticed until shown here. The other three slants are Murray with cage nuts and rounded teardrop.
 
Charles Coe ;

If this question is addressed to me my findings were .
1) All 31 S/W look the same ie have curved window framing like a Murray . NO factory applied manufacture tag on any 31 S/W . Briggs did put their bugg on some out of sight locations . My 31 s/w has a Briggs tag on the fire wall added by whom ever restored it many years ago. I assume the Briggs bug is on the car some where and the restorer wanted to denote that by putting a Briggs tag on the fire wall . Some day if I ever take the car apart I will look for a Briggs bug . As always appreciate every ones input .
 
"NO factory applied manufacture tag on any 31 S/W"

Wrong, have this tag in my collection.

160-A Murray 160-A 1931 Standard Fordor Sedan S/W (3W)
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