Fixed or Random National Meet Locations.

Not really sure why we are still discussing this. MARC has already announced on their website that the nation meet will be in French Lick in 14 and 15 and then somewhere different in 16. That means no matter what we voice on here, nothing can be changed until 2017. As for the clubs talking with each other and no planning meets over one another, I announced the date for the blue ridge tour two years ago. What did maffi do? Plan their grand opening of the museum one week later. You think I didn't loose attendees because of that? Maffi didn't care but its not their job to.
 
I agree with several comments suggesting MAFCA & MARC should be one and that would ease the burden of each, provide more venues, and more opportunity for the membership. I don't beleive the perceived differences between the clubs will translate into any real issue. I think quite the opposite-that you will grow the hobby:)
 
brum1 said:
I agree with several comments suggesting MAFCA & MARC should be one and that would ease the burden of each, provide more venues, and more opportunity for the membership. I don't beleive the perceived differences between the clubs will translate into any real issue. I think quite the opposite-that you will grow the hobby:)
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Naturally you are welcome to your thoughts but I liken that to saying there really isn't any differences between a Democrat and a Republican and that we should eliminate both parties and just be one united group. :rolleyes: The chances of that ever happening is _____________________?
 
To take the shine off of my ignorance, what are the main points of disagreement between the 2 orgs. that preclude them being able to discuss a joint venture?
 
I agree. Some members are passionate about 1 club and hate the other. MARC, MAFCA and MAFFI should come together.
 
Pinstripe said:
To take the shine off of my ignorance, what are the main points of disagreement between the 2 orgs. that preclude them being able to discuss a joint venture?
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ctvpa said:
I agree. Some members are passionate about 1 club and hate the other. MARC, MAFCA and MAFFI should come together.
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Pinstripe, check your PMs.

Let me ask this question. If you go to MAFCA's website, can someone read the first paragraph (directly under the Welcome to the MAFCA Web Site) and explain to me word-for-word what that means?



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MAFFI - Our Mission Statement

The Model A Ford Foundation, Inc. seeks to preserve Model A Fords and related memorabilia,
encourage research, and to educate present and future generations.

MAFCA-
The Model A Ford Club of America, Inc. (MAFCA) is a California not-for-profit corporation and a national historical society dedicated to the restoration and preservation of Model A Ford vehicles as manufactured from 1928 through 1931.​

MARC-​

The Model "A" Restorers Club (MARC), founded in 1952, holds as its aims the encouragement of members to acquire, restore, preserve and exhibit the Model "A" Ford. And most importantly, to enjoy the fellowship of other Model "A" Ford owners around the world.

AACA -

Since 1935, AACA has had one goal: The preservation and enjoyment of automotive history of all types. From National Meets and Tours to Regional events, AACA is here to bring enthusiasts together through exciting National activities, friendship, and Antique Automobile… an award winning 100-page full color magazine.
 
Regarding merging MARC and MAFCA, from 1952 - 57 there was one club - MARC. Included within MARC was the Southern California Region of MARC. For what ever reason this region left MARC and formed MAFCA in 1957.

Further MARC and MAFCA are NOT nonprofit charitable corporations.

MAFFI could never merge with MARC and/or MAFCA and maintain their IRS tax status i.e., they are a nonprofit charitable corporation.

Per the MAFFI web site:

SECTION 1. Said corporation is organized exclusively for charitable and educational purposes, including for such purposes the making of distributions to organizations that qualify as exempt organizations under Section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code, or corresponding section of future Federal Tax Codes.

SECTION 2. The purpose of this corporation is to preserve the historical significance of the Model A Ford automobile through: the establishment of a museum for vehicles and accessories; shows and exhibitions; education of the general public on that era of transportation history; and the exchange of ideas and information among members, the public and admirers of the Model A Ford to aid in their efforts to restore and preserve the car in its original likeness.

SECTION 3. The trustees may receive and accept on behalf of the Foundation, property, whether real, personal, or mixed, by way of gift, bequest, or devise, from any person, firm, trust, or corporation, to be held, administered, and disposed of in accordance with and pursuant to the provisions of this document; but no gift, bequest or devise of any property shall be received and accepted if conditioned or limited in such manner as to require the disposition of the income or its principal to any person or organization other than a "charitable organization" or for other than "charitable purposes" within the meaning of such terms as defined in this document, or as shall in the opinion of the trustees, jeopardize the Federal Income Tax exemption of this trust pursuant to Section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code.


 
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Interesting to read the mission statements of each club:

I see MAFFI with a unique mission
I think AACA is too broad

MARC and MAFCA are the same in my opinion

But its not the mission statement(what we say we do) we should consider, but the vision statement (what we think the hobby should grow into)
 
brum1 said:
Interesting to read the mission statements of each club:

I see MAFFI with a unique mission
I think AACA is too broad

MARC and MAFCA are the same in my opinion

But its not the mission statement(what we say we do) we should consider, but the vision statement (what we think the hobby should grow into)
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Really? If I join a hunting club, I would expect the focus to be on hunting, ...not fishing.

In a nutshell, there is differences enough just like there is Baptists and Methodists. MAFCA claims their major focus is about Model-A's "as they were originally manufactured". Is that a true statement??

At what point should we just have a Ford Model A Owner's Society and forget MARC & MAFCA? In others words, if you have something that resembles a Model-A (original, restored, rat rod, hot rod, street rod, whatever), then come join us. It is all about fellowship with all people who own a Model-A. You interested?
 
azmodela said:
You need to change it up. Consider decreasing the frequency of meets over a fixed location. I'm not a member of my local club because they do the same thing each month of the year, year after year. Once you've done it twice, you don't want to do it again. I'm one of the "younger" members and I believe that if you want to attract the future, it needs to be different every year. That's why you don't have the same seminar on tools every year. Different places have different perspectives and experiences.....
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PERFECT: THIS 39 year old guy agrees. :cool:
 
MAFCA-
The Model A Ford Club of America, Inc. (MAFCA) is a California not-for-profit corporation and a national historical society dedicated to the restoration and preservation of Model A Ford vehicles as manufactured from 1928 through 1931.​

MARC-​

The Model "A" Restorers Club (MARC), founded in 1952, holds as its aims the encouragement of members to acquire, restore, preserve and exhibit the Model "A" Ford. And most importantly, to enjoy the fellowship of other Model "A" Ford owners around the world.

Guys-I see the words preserve and restore in each-seems like the same mission to me:)

otherwise your just looking for differences
 
We now have two threads discussing the same thing using the exact same posts.:confused:

The other one was deleted.
 
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Here we go, OFF the TRACKS again...:eek:
 

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There are benefits and negatives to both ideas. I happen to fall into the moving around format because, as others have mentioned, it gives you and your family, the opportunity to visit other parts of the country that you wouldn't normally visit.
 
The most response to haveing the years on alternate meets is that for a car that is being judged in particular, the restoration work can 'turn south' in two years, and that some one might 'hurry' their car to get it done and thus dilute the correctness of the restoration.

If you offered a new pickup to every third person that attended the meet/ dinner, they would be knocking down the walls to attend. It's not the money, but the 'percieved value' for your dollar.
 
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