Rotella question

Jay in Mass

Senior Member
I'm doing an oil change on my 40 coupe with 59AB type flathead engine. Up to now I have been running 30 Wt. non detergent. The inside of the engine is nice and clean. It is an older Ford factory rebuild.
I bought some Rotella SAE 14W-40 oil but don't see anything on the container that says something about about zinc or ZDDP.
It does say Meets API service CJ-4,CI-4Plus,CH-4, CG-4, CF-4,CF/SM. There is a reference to Caterpillar ECF-3,ECF2,ECF1A,and Cummins CES 2081,DDC. I don't know what all of this stuff means.
There have been lots of posts stating that the flatheads need Zinc because of the solid lifters.
So before I put this product in my flathead, my question is. Is this the right stuff that I need?
Thanks in advance for any and all comments.
 
Yes, those markings means it will supply the lubrication for a diesel which has higher loads on the cam than any auto will ever have. I use Kendal 20w50 racing or high performance oil in both of my flat heads
 
I have been using Shell Rotella T in my modern tow rig pu truck as well as my Flathead powered Ford V8's. G.M. has some recent posts here about an oil that he has recently found that sounds like it would do our old Flathead engines well. I may give that oil a try instead of Rotella in my main driver.
 
Going from a 30 non-detergent to Rotella is going to a very high detergent oil. Just thought I'd mention it.
 
Strange, I put Rotella in melted velveta cheeze and eat it with tortilla chips and a beer. OH, that is Ro*Tel. Never mind.
 
I just read something negative recently on Fordbarn about using Rotella oil in our flatheads, so I went back to Havoline 10W-40. Can't remember the thread. (CRS) I guess that should be (CRTT).
 
If the valve springs are stock, there is no need for ZDDP. Oil companies did not add ZDDP to their oil until the first OHV V8s (Caddy, Olds, ) started having cam problems about 49-50. This was because OHV systems require higher valve spring pressures. So.... all flatheads 32-48 were built and running before the advent of ZDDP. Add to that the fact that Henry was a stickler for high quality iron and steel..... flathead cams were made of much better stock than todays aftermarket cams.
 
As has been stated, Rotella is an oil formulated for diesel engines. Gasoline and diesel oils have different additive packages because the contaminates in the crankcase are different. With a gasoline engine you get a lot of moisture and tar and with a diesel the oil becomes acidic and will collect more carbon.

Many oils will work well in either engine type but it's always best to use an oil specially formulated to the type of engine for optimal life.

You will see things like "API SG/CJ" on the oil container, that means:

API = American Petrolium Industry
SG = Spark ignition, grade "G"
CJ = Compression ignition, grade "J"

The second letter is the grade designator, in alphabetical order, and later = better.

So, all things considered, it would be better to have the S grade oils formulated for gasoline engines than the C grade formulated for diesel engines.

ZDDP is debatable. Studies I've read conclude that the weak spring pressure of our valve springs do not create enough pressure on the cam by the lifters to need added ZDDP. But, I figure for the little cost it adds to the oil I put it in anyway, just in case it helps in some way. Can't hoit. :cool:

This is the cheapest source of ZDDP that I have found: http://www.eastwood.com/ew-zddp-oil-additive-4-oz.html

In case part of your question was whether to use detergent or non detergent oil I throw this in that I posted on this thread: http://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=56324

Motor oil detergents were introduced in the 1950s. The concept adjusts for the failings of oil filters by attaching to those particles too small to get caught in filters. Instead the detergent holds the particles in the oil so they don't deposit on engine parts and cause hot spots. These particles are what makes the oil turn darker. These tiny particles do not harm your engine. If the oil is used for too long, however, it gets saturated, can't hold any more particles, and, in short, can't do its job. Then the particles start sticking to the engine interior. Thus, flushing out old oil regularly helps maintain the cleaning process and the benefit of the detergents.

Non-Detergent Motor Oil


Given the emphasis on keeping engines clean, most dealers and mechanics use motor oil with detergent. It can be a challenge to find a place that does oil changes with non-detergent motor oils. Many of the common non-detergent oils are instead used in appliances that run on gas, such as lawnmowers and tractors. Two-stroke oil would be another common non-detergent oil, mainly used in engines in motorcycles and watercraft.​

The Dark Oil Myth

Dark oil does not indicate the need for an oil change. The way modern detergent motor oil works is that minute particles of soot are suspended in the oil. These minute particles pose no danger to your engine, but they cause the oil to darken. A non-detergent oil would stay clearer than a detergent oil because all the soot would be left on the internal engine parts and would create sludge. If you never changed your oil, eventually the oil would no longer be able to suspend any more particles in the oil and sludge would form. Fortunately, by following the manufacturer's recommended oil change interval, you are changing your oil long before the oil has become saturated. Remember, a good oil should get dirty as it does it's work cleaning out the engine. The dispersant should stop all the gunk from depositing in the oil pan.

Read more:
Detergent Vs. Non-Detergent Motor Oil |
http://www.nordicgroup.us/oil.htm#Detergent

In all of my studies of oils the only logical reason I have ever heard for using non-detergent oil is when breaking in a new engine so that the metal particles being rubbed off of the surfaces during break-in do not suspend in the oil and cause further wear and damage to the engine and can be flushed out with the first oil change after a very short time. Otherwise, all that I understand indicates that detergent oil is best for the reasons given above. Such would seem especially so for an engine without a filter.

I think it is a myth that detergent oil breaks down sludge. Such myth probably comes from the idea that detergent we use in laundry etc. is to break dirt away from the surface it's stuck to. But, I have not read any actual scientific studies that supports such myth. As the above information explains, the detergent additive only causes a suspension of particles already in the oil; nothing I've read says anything about releasing particles (particularly sludge) from the surface of parts it's already stuck to. Sludge is what happens when you don't use detergent oil. Instead of the particles staying suspended in the oil and flushed out when it's drained, the particles stick to surfaces, particularly the oil pan. So, if you don't want sludge, use detergent oil and change it regularly. If you already have sludge, detergent oil is not going to "break it loose" or clean it out.


 
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I would like to thank all of the barn members that took the time to respond to my question about Rotella oil. Sometimes we older people kinda get set in our ways and are not very quick to make change. Jay
 
Prof. Henry
Re the myth, when my hands are dirty, greasy, etc. I can pour oil on them, rub it in well, and wipe every thing off with a towel. I believe det. oil will release sludge.
Just my opinion from my own experience.

Bruce

Works good
Lasts long time
 
I have been running wally world diesel 30wt in my T's, v8's, early Packard and farm tractors for years with no problems. My cars run regurarily and go distances.
 
Another (good) option is to run a name brand 20-50 oil. Most, if not all, have enough ZDDP to protect the engine.
 
I have no worries about zinc in the oil, as previously stated this was not added to oil until the mid 50's. I run 15W-40 diesel oil because it has better hot oil pressure than the 20W-50 oil I previously used.
 
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