Time period Model A automatics?

29RPU

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Anybody ever see one of the aftermarket automatics for Model A's? It claims that you rarely have to shift and you just 'glide away with all the power you need' etc etc. I imagine it was pretty much hype, being just a centrifigal clutch that you would use with your clutch or not. So if that is the case, did they suggest you start out in 3rd and let the clutch do the work....ouch, seems like they wouldn't last long if that was the intent. Also they probably didn't last long or work well because they aren't pleniful either as originals, or modern aftermarket products.

I don't want one, just curious if somebody has more of a scoop on these things.
 
Freewheeling ---a one way clutch, you could use the normal clutch to start out, then let the engine drop back to idle--shift---back on the gas, it was also touted as a way to save on gas --and go down hills fast --60s-70s Saabs had it ---and there were some cars in the A era that had it stock for a year or two

I have also seen ads for a vacuum assisted clutch ---but a true automatic would take a few years ---Citroen had planned an automatic for their new car in 1934 ---it was a CVT--continuously variable ratio ---a system with L shaped rods and swash plates ---but it didn't last --lube oils wern't good enough for the friction and they burned up before production.

It wasn't till the later 30s that fluid couplings---with an electricaly operated clutch started showing up ---here in USA it went away quick ,it was troublesome and the modern automatic with a torque converter developed quick ---but in europe it lasted into the 70s (Beetle auto stick)
 
Freewheeling ---a one way clutch, you could use the normal clutch to start out, then let the engine drop back to idle--shift---back on the gas, it was also touted as a way to save on gas --and go down hills fast --60s-70s Saabs had it ---and there were some cars in the A era that had it stock for a year or two

I have also seen ads for a vacuum assisted clutch ---but a true automatic would take a few years ---Citroen had planned an automatic for their new car in 1934 ---it was a CVT--continuously variable ratio ---a system with L shaped rods and swash plates ---but it didn't last --lube oils wern't good enough for the friction and they burned up before production.

It wasn't till the later 30s that fluid couplings---with an electricaly operated clutch started showing up ---here in USA it went away quick ,it was troublesome and the modern automatic with a torque converter developed quick ---but in europe it lasted into the 70s (Beetle auto stick)
Plymouth, Dodge and Desoto had a clutched automatic in the 40's. You would use the clutch to hold the car at stop but to take off you let out the clutch and gave it gas. Once underway you never use the clutch but had to shift gears by letting off the gas and shifting.
 
"Clutch Flight Transmission" Drag racers would have a foot clutch on a automatic before stall converters got better.
The Transam in Smokey and the Bandit,you can see the pedal for 1 in one of the shots.
Wick
 
lots of hill climb people have automatics . check with F.A.S.T. ............. steve
 
In the late 40's my mother bought a Dodge that had a "Fluid Drive. You did use the clutch to come to a complete stop but you could take off from a dead stop in 3 rd or high gear. No shifting! Later I worked for a company that had a 1948 Dodge pick up and they complained about the clutch slipping, nothing wrong with it, it had a "Fluid Drive" !
 
Here is the link to the ad. I left it quite large for legibility reasons.

http://www.redemerconcepts.com/client/AutoClutch.jpg

Some of the smaller type is the most interesting. "Simply press a dash-control to place either system in use (usual clutch/shift system, or self operating clutch system). "There is scarcely ever a need to shift gears, excepting occasional reverse needs." Seems weird to me.
 
"1931 's greatest contribution to motorcar performance ! "

Interesting.

I have been reading about old cars since, well, learning to read ( about 40-some years), and I have never run across this gizmo or heard of the "Automatic Drive and Transmission Co."....

Taking a somewhat educated guess from the advertising blather and the photo, my hunch is that this was essentially a centrifugal clutch device to replace the stock clutch. What is most interesting is that the driver has a control to select between full -manual operation, or "auto-matic drive"....

The theory of operation probably involved putting the car in 2nd or high gear and leaving it there. I'll bet the clutch facings burned-out pretty quickly for those folks who tried to drive this rig in high-gear.

The Fluid Drive introduced by Chrysler Corporation in 1939 on Chrysler, De Soto and Dodge, utilitized the same operating theory, but used a fluid-coupling with a conventional disc clutch and three-speed manual transmission behind it. In 1941, they added a four-speed semi-automatic gear box. This option lasted through 1953. In 1954 Chrysler Corp. brought out their first modern, truly "automatic" transmission: the 2 Speed Powerflite. In 1956, they added the legendary three-speed Torqueflite.

I would like to clarify that Chrysler's "Fluid Drive" cars, in their various forms, did NOT employ a "torque converter"; they used a "fluid-coupling", which produced no torque-multiplication, and in actual performance, achieved a little less than a 1:1 connection between input and output. Some old timers will say that the MoPar Fluid Drive was based on "slippage"... they are correct to a degree... instead of the "slippage" of the drive coupling resulting in burned-out friction facings, in the Fluid coupling, it was simply converted to heat.

Having owned several "Fluid Drive" MoPars, I can say that while their get-away performance was fairly embarassing, they were excellent in snow, and usually better on cruising on the highway than their dry-clutch cousins, as Fluid Drive equipped cars usually had taller gears in the rear end.

Getting back to the centrifugal clutch idea, REO introduced a "Self-Shifter" transmission in 1933, that used planetary gearing and centrifugal weights for shifting... there was a clutch pedal for stopping and getting under-way, but no gearshift lever - instead, there was a gear selector mounted under the dash, looking much like the T-handle emergency brake release in early Falcons and Mustangs.

And, the first "automatic" transmissions offered by Olds and Buick in 1938 were completely mechanical - there was no fluid coupling...

The first "true" modern automatic transmission ( Liquid coupling, planetary gear sets and bands, able to up-shift under load, etc.) was the GM Hydramatic, introduced in 1939-40.

I have to believe that the "Self-Operating Clutch" described in the ad was not a success, otherwise I think more of us would have heard about it down through the years...

It would be neat to find one though...
 
I have to bone up on this 4 speed Chrysler unit.A fellow in town wants his fixed,everybody sent him to me to get it looked at.I have never even heard of it.I opened the old Motors manual,there it is.I think it is called Vacu-Shift.There are some vacuum lines and a couple of electric solenoids on the side of the transmission.Not sure how it works,but it looks like the lever has two positions for forward with the other two speeds controlled by vacuum and electric.Champ forklifts used the Chrysler fluid drive right up into at least the early 70's.You stuck the transmission in gear with the clutch down,then left it alone until you wanted to back up.You could creep up on something with just the brake and throttle.It would act just like a torque converter.Let the oil do the work.Very smooth working machines.When I worked on them we found to get parts we had to get them from cars with the fluid drive.I think there was some kind of a writeup on the A setup many years ago,that ad rings a bell.
 
Here is the link to the ad. I left it quite large for legibility reasons.

http://www.redemerconcepts.com/client/AutoClutch.jpg

Some of the smaller type is the most interesting. "Simply press a dash-control to place either system in use (usual clutch/shift system, or self operating clutch system). "There is scarcely ever a need to shift gears, excepting occasional reverse needs." Seems weird to me.
Looks like it replaces the flywheel and clutch assy. Now if I could only find one!
 
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