'36 sedan delivery headliner bows?
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deuce_roadster
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My 40 SD had a like waterproof cardboard "headliner", not a fabric one that utilized individual bows like a passenger car. Similar to a pickup. I would think the 36 was considered a commercial vehicle.
rockfla
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Kube
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The '36 definitely had a fabric liner. A very cheap material, but fabric, nonetheless.
The parts book confuses me as it calls out for six "roof ribs". Are those the wooden pieces that support the roof? Or are those headliner (metal) bows?
My car has three metal bows intact. Two are forward of the B pillar and one just a bit behind the B pillar.
I can't figure out how the liner would have been installed without more metal bows. However, this vehicle (model) is so new to me, well, I don't have any clue as to what i do not know.
Kube
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Thanks Robert. I appreciate you.
Not certain I have full faith in that car as a lot has been altered. Hmmm...
rockfla
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Mike
It "looks" to me, from the pictures.....It has two ahead of the B pillar (rather, one at the B plllar and one between the B pillar and header) like yours SO......there is that... which "suggest" consistency???? BUT as you say 90 years have past
Kube
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Robert, there are some things on that car that appear non-authentic. That in itself doesn't mean anything conclusively.
It only makes me wonder if the bows are proper.
I have to climb back in mine and look even closer than I had. I may have missed where the "missing" bows were.
It only makes me wonder if the bows are proper.
I have to climb back in mine and look even closer than I had. I may have missed where the "missing" bows were.
Model51
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Do you have any part numbers for the body or the bows? I got a drawing from the BFRC archives of the 810 cab and it included views of the roof and ribs. While not enough information was present to be able to make parts, it did give a blueprint of what was there originally. Unfortunately I don't know the 1936 Sedan Delivery part numbers well enough to help you.
Kube
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Steve, thank you, I have reached out to the seller.
Kube
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Kube
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Long time but sadly for you guys, I'm back.
Okay, here's what I had learned...
There are no metal bows. There are six wooden bows, integral of the roof.
There are two (left & right) very short metal "bows" for lack of a better term, that are utilized about midway of the door openings.
I have now installed the headliner and am pleased with the results. I did not use the authentic pyroxylin material. I used a cloth material that appears nearly the same as the original pyroxylin.
Not even sure pyroxylin is available these days.
Okay, here's what I had learned...
There are no metal bows. There are six wooden bows, integral of the roof.
There are two (left & right) very short metal "bows" for lack of a better term, that are utilized about midway of the door openings.
I have now installed the headliner and am pleased with the results. I did not use the authentic pyroxylin material. I used a cloth material that appears nearly the same as the original pyroxylin.
Not even sure pyroxylin is available these days.
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Kube
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Pyroxylin can't be found, I looked for my '42 Sedan Delivery seat covers. Apparently it was highly flammable so too dangerous to store or use nowadays.
I never thought of the flammability issue. Thanks.
I continue to learn
Kube
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corvette8n
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Here’s what AI says about it.
Pyroxylin (also known as soluble guncotton or nitrocellulose) is a highly flammable mixture of cellulose nitrates used to form protective films. A key ingredient in collodion, it is utilized as a binder in lacquers, artificial leathers, quick-drying varnishes, and certain medical and photographic applications.Key CharacteristicsComposition: Produced by treating plant fibers (like cotton linters or wood pulp) with a mixture of nitric and sulfuric acids.Physical Properties: Resembles raw cotton but is harsh to the touch. When dry, it is highly flammable and burns rapidly; consequently, it is usually stored dampened with alcohol or other solvents.Solubility: Unlike highly nitrated guncotton, pyroxylin is distinct for being soluble in organic solvent mixtures like ether and alcohol.Common ApplicationsCollodion: A solution of pyroxylin in ether and alcohol. When the solvents evaporate, it leaves behind a flexible, waterproof film used historically in liquid bandages, photographic plates, and engraving.Lacquers & Coatings: Dissolved in volatile solvents with added plasticizers, it creates durable, quick-drying protective coatings (e.g., traditional automotive finishes).Early Plastics: When colloided with camphor, pyroxylin was the base for early plastics like celluloid.Art & Specialty Materials: Occasionally used in older varnishes or as a binder for certain paints and sculptures.
Pyroxylin (also known as soluble guncotton or nitrocellulose) is a highly flammable mixture of cellulose nitrates used to form protective films. A key ingredient in collodion, it is utilized as a binder in lacquers, artificial leathers, quick-drying varnishes, and certain medical and photographic applications.Key CharacteristicsComposition: Produced by treating plant fibers (like cotton linters or wood pulp) with a mixture of nitric and sulfuric acids.Physical Properties: Resembles raw cotton but is harsh to the touch. When dry, it is highly flammable and burns rapidly; consequently, it is usually stored dampened with alcohol or other solvents.Solubility: Unlike highly nitrated guncotton, pyroxylin is distinct for being soluble in organic solvent mixtures like ether and alcohol.Common ApplicationsCollodion: A solution of pyroxylin in ether and alcohol. When the solvents evaporate, it leaves behind a flexible, waterproof film used historically in liquid bandages, photographic plates, and engraving.Lacquers & Coatings: Dissolved in volatile solvents with added plasticizers, it creates durable, quick-drying protective coatings (e.g., traditional automotive finishes).Early Plastics: When colloided with camphor, pyroxylin was the base for early plastics like celluloid.Art & Specialty Materials: Occasionally used in older varnishes or as a binder for certain paints and sculptures.