Wheel spacers

>>"Centerlines on my Starfire the hole in the rim was larger than the axle hub, therefore putting all of the load of the car (almost twice that of the coupe) on the wheel studs."

This seems to be an engineering dilemma.
Some engineers say it is the clamping force that keeps the wheels on.
Others say the wheel center hole needs to sit on the axle, if it was designed that way.
Wheel spacers are not allowed here.
 
>>"Centerlines on my Starfire the hole in the rim was larger than the axle hub, therefore putting all of the load of the car (almost twice that of the coupe) on the wheel studs."

This seems to be an engineering dilemma.
Some engineers say it is the clamping force that keeps the wheels on.
Others say the wheel center hole needs to sit on the axle, if it was designed that way.
Wheel spacers are not allowed here.

It is still going to sit on the hub, just not as deeply. The clamping force has shown to be more than adequate, bearing on the hub cannot hurt, but not necessary.
 
Indeed. HAMB content for sure. Someone over there (I realize there is a lot of "cross-over") will have done EXACTLY what you're doing.

It's a big hobby. I'm glad for those who set aside their Model A parts since that leaves so much more for me.

One is reminded of last year's front axle assembly that was set aside by someone building a "gasser." Boxed aftermarket frame. And decided to go the Sacramento route. Nice axle - straight - and didn't need much to work it up for use.

Joe K

Should probably look into joining the forum also....
 
........................ the drums being used are;

Speedway Motors | #91065400
12 x 2 Brake Drum for Bendix Style 1937-48 Ford Brakes

The Hubs came with the car, which appear to be early ford 5 on a 5.5" center line, that were originally swedged to the drums....I will get to that also.


There have been many negative comments made in past threads on the V8
Forum concerning these drums - link to a recent one:

https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2262205&postcount=5

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It might be useful to use some clay on the shoe edges and maybe the wheel cylinder and drum edge to backing plate to see just what is locking up when the drum is tightened. Does it lock without the shoes installed? Narrow down the specific problem and then attack it. :)
 
It might be useful to use some clay on the shoe edges and maybe the wheel cylinder and drum edge to backing plate to see just what is locking up when the drum is tightened. Does it lock without the shoes installed? Narrow down the specific problem and then attack it. :)

The interference contact is coming from the shoes. The leading edge facing the drum on the backing plate have been turned down to provide clearance between the two members.
 
Between the drum and the rim. The spacer provides a "full contact" surface for the rim.

Yes this is important with the wire wheels. Without the spacer, tightening the lug nuts will pull the rim to the drum which will eventually form stress/fatigue cracks in the rim.

The spacers I am using here are to shim the drum away from the shoes.
 
There have been many negative comments made in past threads on the V8
Forum concerning these drums - link to a recent one:

https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2262205&postcount=5

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Certainly wish that I would have known this before purchasing these drums. There is a complaint on Speedways web site citing out of round condition. There is also one where Speedway is suggesting to grind away some metal to improve clearance....WOW, buy new drums and grind on them....not hardly an acceptable answer! I have coated one of mine with blue layout dye, and will then see what is contacting what. Then set up an the rotary table instead of the lathe and check for out of round and run-out. If within .010"-.020" I will true them up....If not, Speedway is getting a couple of drums back!
 
So the drums from Speedway were .005" out of round (not terrible), and showed .010" run out (bell mouthed). I did turn this drum to .002" out of round, and .001" run out, took .010" out of diameter to do this. The drum still had tight and loose spots, which prompted me to check the concentrically of the hub to the axle center line. Here the problem was found. One side was .014", and the other was .022" out of round. So how could this be?

Recall that I did machine the axle housings for bearing race repair sleeves. https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=332246

As indicated in my post the housing was centered on the existing bearing race to .0015" to the tool post on the lathe. This was done as the only reliable means to index the part for this machining process. It does not verify it's concentrically with the axle center line, as the hub is still yet another variable in this equation. It is also that the repair sleeves were not perfectly concentric, and also could have been affected by pressing them into place.

I may be splitting hairs here, but what I did was locate the high points of both members (drum and hub), and installed them to cancel one another's offsets. I think that if these checks were made on other machines, the same conclusions would be apparent....Maybe not, but tell me, why is it considered to be normal procedure to sand shoes to fit their drums? This suggest to me this very type of situation as I describe to be the case commonly. Everything is manufactured to acceptable tolerances, they can become cumulative to cause an overall out of specification condition to exist.
 

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