vinegar in gas tank ??

Steve in Tampa

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I do not want to take my gas tank out to clean it. I want to fill it with vinegar . I do not know how long to let it soak, any ideas ? Has anybody done this, how much mess does this make on top of the tank ? thanks, steve
 
I ordered a gallon of Rust911 that makes 16 gallons, filled the tank to the rim and let sit 2 weeks and flushed several times with water. It did a pretty good job and cost about $75.


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Ive used vinegar, after flushing my tank thoroughly with a garden hose for about 20 minutes on my lawn. Should sit about 6 weeks to really clean up. It is slow but effective.


Ive heard a few on here use it for a day or three and honestly, that is a waste of time.
 
Also used RUST911 with good results so far. Used the left over RUST911 and did it twice, no immediate need to keep it. The second wash out was somewhat cleaner. Unfortunately it also caused a small leak around the speedometer area. Was able to seal this with JB WELD (fingers crossed). Have to remember the rust more than likely came from inside the tank.
If a tank has some weak spots, I would be concerned using vinegar.
 
Vinegar is an acid. How thick is the metal?

Hydrochloric is an acid also however it rarely matters how thick the metal is because thoroughly neutralizing that stuff including other acids is almost impossible on the hobbyist's levels.



I would like to add two or three things about this that no one (-especially on social media!!) ever gets right about offering these methods of Model-A gas tank 'fixes'.

(1) Any of these liquids (EvapoRust, Rust911, Vinegar, Molasses, et/al) will attack the rust however based on tanks we see, it rarely ever dissolves. Flushing rarely removes all of the iron oxide particles either. Therefore, you really need some way to remove the particles either by media abrasion or water pressure aimed directly at the base of the rust. Then when these particles are not removed, more often than not, the rust is still underneath where the particle was still attached.

(2) Most of these rust dissolvers also attack soft metals such as the Terne coating that was used on the metal prior to the tanks being stamped. So now after using chemicals, you have areas where the metal is unprotected. Without any coating, what is protecting the walls from rust reforming? So the answer most agree to is that it does need some level of protection. Some make an argument to keep the tank full at all times. That might seem plausible to some however most fuels have oxygenizers added which is the key ingredient that makes up iron oxide. So is really a tank full of gasoline the solution??

(3) So with the metal inside of the tank unprotected, what is the plan for recoating the tank walls? While you are pondering that question, to further complicate solutions, what is the plan when the tank is still located in the vehicle??


In a nutshell, any bare metal on the inside of a gas tank WILL form rust again again, ...so we are likely back to the reason why most tanks are causing problems. The most universal way to address the bare metal problem is to line, -or coat the interior walls with a sealer that can protect the metal however not dissolve because of the fuel inside the tank. The key to successfully lining a tank wall where it will have longevity is to have good adhesion to every area inside the tank. Therein lies the biggest reason we see failures. Now we go back to what we discussed in 'Bullet 1'. Unless you can clean ALL the metal where it is absolutely 100% clean, the coating will not adhere properly (-look at the first 3 picture below of a tank that was cleaned chemically and then coated with a sealer).

The truth is, flushing just cannot get all of it 100% clean. Abrading all of the surfaces with media is the only way that all of the Terne and metal corrosion can be 100% removed. Additionally, the media blasting creates a texture that most urethane sealers can 'bite' into. This further enhances the sealer's adhesion which extends the longevity of the product.

Next problem we find is, most tanks never get fully coated. From what we have seen, using a quart of sealer in a tank that has been removed is not enough to coat everything including baffles. If the tank remains in the vehicle, the only way to ensure all of the baffles and the topside of the tank is fully coated is to completely fill the tank with sealer prior to draining. That means the tank will need to be completely filled with somewhere between 10 - 11 gallons of sealer!! Otherwise, please explain how all areas including the roof and backside of the baffles can have enough of a coating mil thickness to be effective. It is worth noting that if an area has rust formed around the perimeter of the Sealer, we have seen it over and over thru the years that the corrosion will travel under the Sealer causing more rust.

So in conclusion, adding Vinegar or any type of chemical rust convertor/dissolver to a tank is like suggesting that adding air to a flat tire with a nail thru it is the way you correct the flat tire. Temporarily it will seem repaired however it really isn't repaired and ultimately more damage is done to the tire.

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Brent,
you are 100% correct, however I did answer what was asked and Ive had great success...... I do use filters and magnets as well. Dirty leg is a terrific idea as well.





I do not want to take my gas tank out to clean it. I want to fill it with vinegar



In the end, Brents way is the only correct way, but I have been pleased with my results. And I have never removed a tank.
 
(2) ...Some make an argument to keep the tank full at all times. That might seem plausible to some however most fuels have oxygenizers added which is the key ingredient that makes up iron oxide. So is really a tank full of gasoline the solution??
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Haha, These days, with a vented gas tank, I find it hard to keep a full tank. It all evaporates out!!
 
Brent, are you opening up all the tanks on your restorations, media blasting, then coating with sealer? What is your process for opening up a tank without destrying it?
 
Both types of tanks were designed so that Ford could use roller type seam resistance welders. Two workmen would support the tank halves and guide the roller welder around the periphery of the tank. To take the halves apart, a person has to use a narrow cut off wheel and carefully cut just inside the weld seam but only through one half of the tank skin. Brent may do it differently but that's the way I've done it. it has to be welded back together on the cut line and then carefully ground back level.

These old tanks are nearly 1/16" thick in the vessel skin thickness. Ford made them heavy so that they could become a structural part of the car without cracking. As some may know, they still liked to crack around the steering column mount bracket on the earlier types even though they had an extra doubler there. I've seen more than a few with rust holes through the bottom and out the sides on 28/29 tanks. If a person uses a mild phosphoric acid to remove corrosion then it may open up pin holes in the areas where corrosion is heaviest. There is no easy fix for pin holes or cracks in the tank. It's always a gamble to use acidic materials in an attempt to remove the corrosion in that manner. Grit blasting can also open up pin holes but at least the tank would be open to make patch repairs to thin areas.

There is a product that is abbreviated GRE or gasoline resistant epoxy that was developed to fabricate fuel tanks from fiberglass. Folks have also been using it to line metal tanks but I have never tried or tested the stuff to see if it is actually resistant to gasoline. It may have some usefulness if it actually will work to line and seal a fuel vessel. Some aircraft tanks are sealed with fuel resistant sealers but they have lots of little screws holding the tank together. They will last many years before they start to seep. Old Piper Aircraft tanks made this way can be rebuilt to renew the sealant.
 
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Brent, are you opening up all the tanks on your restorations, media blasting, then coating with sealer? What is your process for opening up a tank without destrying it?

Hey Seth. Yes, we open all of them just like in the pictures above. We just cut thru the factory weld, so when we re-weld them together, it is hard to distinguish factory weld from restoration weld.
 
My method is very simple and extremely effective, but, the tank has to be out of the car.
I let other people do the work. I deliver the tank to them, they "pickle" it, (that is the official name for the process) then Parkerize it.
Probably the only thing more effective would be to make the tank from stainless steel.
 
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