How perfect were these bodies when new?

ms fowler

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Still sanding on that '38 pickup cab. I used a guide coat and then a long sanding block in a criss-cross pattern. At every stamped opening ( rear window and both doors) I see a slight depression just outside the stamped opening--maybe a 1/32" deep spread out over 3 or 4 inches away from the opening, but pretty much all the way around.
Do you guys leave that slight wave in the panel, or skim it out?
 
Most pickups were rode hard. Just the movement between the frame & cab on rough roads could cause oil canning in some panels over time. The longer and wider the panel the more the problems can arise.

Ford had very good quality control but they weren't totally perfect. If panels are solid with no oil canning and surface irregularities are minimal then work the body to your own satisfaction. It doesn't hurt to be picky but a person may have to have a happy medium on some things.

A person can do some heat shrinks to take up some old stretch but there is a learning curve to using heat on panels. A little can go either a long way or too far.
 
Even new cars have depressions in the panels around door handle stampings and places like that. Watch those old 1930s assembly line videos. the speed they built those cars, and you'll know that these cars did have perfect panels.

If you can feel a depression with the flat palm of your hand it's too deep to block out with primer, especially thesed days with the price of paint. If it's only 1/32nd deep I'd just skim coat it with body filler, it's not going to crack and fallout if the metal is prepared properly. Applied over clean bare metal with 36 grit scratches so it has something to hold onto.

When you're sanding the filler, you will start to see the metal break through around the edges of the depression. At that point you are really close to being perfect. If you keep sanding until there is definitive line between filler and the metal, you have gone too far and created a low spot. You will think you will be close enough to block it out with primer, but it would take several heavy coats to do it. You can save a lot of time and money by learning when to stop sanding on the filler. The body Filler should be sanded with 36 grit speed file paper just until the metal starts to show around the depression. Almost to where the filler is so thin you can see the metal through it. There will be filler on both sides of where the metal is starting to show. Then hit it just with some 80 grit to knock off the large 36 grit scratches. Then sand off the filler around outside of the depression but stay away from the filler over the depression, let the filler feather out into the metal around the low spot, if you keep sanding, trying to move all the scratches from the filler you will end up with a low spot every time. Don't push down hard when your sanding, it flexis the metal panel and you wont get a perfectly flat blocking job. Let the sand paper cut the filler without forcing it. That is the way I was taught at a college autobody class 40 years ago by a friend of my dad that was a master metal finisher.

I've tried metal finishing and unless you're really good at metal finishing and practice daily you will probably remove too much metal. I don't do it enough to be good at it. I prefer to hammer and dolly, shrink... do whatever I can without grinding and filing any metal away. I get it a close as I can and then I skim coat it with filler.

I prime over the filler and water sand it with 400 grit. Then I take a paper towel and wipe the panel with wax and grease remover. That makes it momentarily shiny and you can look down the panel for any waves in the paint. If there is the slightest wave in the paint you will see it with the wax and grease remover. There are no shortcuts in automotive body and paint work. Its tedious work that requires lots of patience. You can't say, I'm going to work on a panel this weekend and then paint it. It will be ready paint when that guide coat of wax and grease remover says it ready, weeks, months... Its hard to finish a perfect paint job without burning out on the project.

Here some pictures.

50-years-ago, dad and I water sanding 1929 Woody wire wheels. He did his own paint work with a small 15 gallon Sears compressor and a clothesline for a paint booth. We would go to the Ditzler paint store, and he would walk out with a gallon of black lacquer, a gallon of grey lacquer primer, a gallon of red lacquer primer, a gallon of fast drying lacquer thinner, a gallon of slow drying thinner, a gallon of the cheap gun cleaning lacquer thinner. lacquer spot putty, sand paper and he would ***** about the $30.00-$40.00 that it all cost. Then we would go over to Standard Brands, you brought your own gallon can and they filled it with solvent for .99 cents

He bought a '40 Ford in the 1950s and he and the seller became friends lifelong friends. That guy was the one that taught me body and paint at the local college when I was 18. I can do a decent job but I'm so slow at it.

My dad had a lot of '40 Fords. This is my mom with one of them. A friend was learning how to paint flames and did these silly flames for free so he could practice. At the time my dad was a civilian working on the air force base painting airplanes. For years growing up its was Model A's around our house and then it was early Mustangs and then if was flatheads. The fake Shelby was my high school car. The gold convertible I bought when I was 18. The white fastback was my dad's daily driver the orange '64 1/2 convertible was my little sister's. The funny thing was the family next door also had three early Mustangs. I was brained wash into being Ford guy. I never got a toy car that wasn't Ford. My first pedal car in 1965 was a Mustang, Every hot wheels was a Ford.
 

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Thanks flathead fever, I learned a lot from your post above. I'm not a real detail guy since I usually paint with a foam brush when I paint at all, but I loved those pics you posted and I'm gonna give you the 'cool mom of the month' award. And really, thanks for the auto body school, Chapter 1.
 
On the '55 Tbird and '63 Galaxie we have, both had humps of lead where the body panels are welded together, at the lower corners of the back window and sail panel, and on the Tbird at the bottom corners of the windshield where the front fender is welded on. On a couple of the joints I took off easily 1/8" maybe more. So, no the old cars weren't "straight", as we think of it today.
 
On the '55 Tbird and '63 Galaxie we have, both had humps of lead where the body panels are welded together, at the lower corners of the back window and sail panel, and on the Tbird at the bottom corners of the windshield where the front fender is welded on. On a couple of the joints I took off easily 1/8" maybe more. So, no the old cars weren't "straight", as we think of it today.

Agreed. I feel sometimes cars get over-restored.
 
Also on our '41 there were "wrinkles" in the sheet metal below both headlights. Not big but could see them. H&D'd them out. definitely looked better.
 
Thanks to all of you who responded--and a special thank you to Flathead Fever--Are you related to Dr. Johnny Fever of WKRP?)
The slight depressions I noticed are not deep or sharp enough to feel. They showed up only on the guide coat. I am temped to agree that they are probably "authentic", but I will still skim. I am at that stage of body prep where I "think" I am ready for final primer and then I see another imperfection....then another. I think what must separate the amateur from the professional is the amount of time that last 5% takes. I'd never make a living at this rate! OTOH, it is great physical therapy for an arthritic 73 year old!
The photos were great---and a wonderful reminder to the young men that their parents and grand parents were young at one time, too!
 
I worked in a Ford Dealership body shop off and on throughout my high school years, the shop was well known for their quality work. We did a lot of custom paint work, the bread and butter work was used cars, like maybe two years old. A lot of serious wreck rebuilding.The shop kept 50 gal drums of Sea-Foam green on hand to repaint taxi cabs and police cars,
. Never block sanded a car in my life, used a lot of body puddy to spot in rock chips, etc., Bondo had been invented yet in the mid 1950's. We used news paper to mask everything that need masking.
 
I've found that a vibrating sander is best for chips in paint. It doesn't 'grind' the paint off. Impressive, and 'no sweat'. any way you use the ol' term.
 
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Agreed. I feel sometimes cars get over-restored.
Over restored - don't we know it!

Past-resto days = satin, gloss . . .

Now, these glossy-gloss paint jobs are just too munch! Put on your sunglasses!

These frame-off restos . . . just steam off the frame! The gophers don't care . . . . and you're not going to eat off the frame. This sandblasting and repainting . . . hah. What a joke!
 
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