New Synthetic Chroming Process

SInce its non-toxic and not subject to VOC regulations, and it can't poison the atmosphere and you won't die handling it, there should be no lawyers involved, so the cost should be very low compared to real chrome plating.
 
It is the same stuff as a mirror, I think silver nitrate.

I got a price here in OZ and they said $220 a square foot.

It is feasible for the likes of my old BSA tank, which is beyond metal work rechroming, and he quoted $275 for both side flashes.
 
BobinDallas said:
SInce its non-toxic and not subject to VOC regulations, and it can't poison the atmosphere and you won't die handling it, there should be no lawyers involved, so the cost should be very low compared to real chrome plating.
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The clear coat definitely is subject to VOC regs, and 90% of the silver, a heavy metal, is a poisonous liquid overspray and the runoff waste subject to the same disposal problems and regs all plating shops face. You have the worst of both worlds- VOC's and heavy metal concerns. If you think breathing in VOC's is bad, see what happens to your skin (or lungs :eek:) when it makes contact with any AgNO3 dust from the dried overspray. At least touching dried paint overspray is not a toxicity concern like the silver nitrate dust that will be all over the place. It is virtually impossible to chelate silver from a human body. Priced space suits lately? I'll take my poison from a Kentucky or Tennessee oak barrel, please.
 
There is a big thread on the Hamb about this. Smoke and mirrors, expensive garbage. No durability on exterior items, the consensus is that it may be alright for inside stuff, but the As don't need much anyway. It is silver nitrate with a clearcoat. There is a problem with yellowing of the clear. It seems lots of guys have dumped up to 30K on equipment and materials and have given up.
 
pooch said:
It is the same stuff as a mirror, I think silver nitrate.

I got a price here in OZ and they said $220 a square foot.

It is feasible for the likes of my old BSA tank, which is beyond metal work rechroming, and he quoted $275 for both side flashes.
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What year and model BSA have you got Pooch?
 
modeleh said:
There is a big thread on the Hamb about this. Smoke and mirrors, expensive garbage. No durability on exterior items, the consensus is that it may be alright for inside stuff, but the As don't need much anyway. It is silver nitrate with a clearcoat. There is a problem with yellowing of the clear. It seems lots of guys have dumped up to 30K on equipment and materials and have given up.
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Just thinkin' out loud.

Ya wonder if they could spray molten glass over the silver nitrate.

Then it would be identical to mirror composition.

That would not yellow.

Would not be any good for bumpers and such that are flexible, but solid items should last, if they don't get knocked.
 
pooch said:
it is the same stuff as a mirror, i think silver nitrate.

I got a price here in oz and they said $220 a square foot.

It is feasible for the likes of my old bsa tank, which is beyond metal work rechroming, and he quoted $275 for both side flashes.
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pooch

new avatar- looks good-I liked the old one too.
 
Mike, It is a shame that silver is considered toxic, it is not! Yes, it's considered a "heavy Metal" but it is not toxic. Ever heard of "Colloidal Silver"? (google) I would rather drink a glass full of "C. S." than get a shot of some antibiotic. It works on more pathogens than any antibiotic. It will kill bacteria, some viruses, molds, and yeasts. Yet it does no harm to the human or animal body. It has only one side efffect an d you have to drink it by the gallon to experience that. For lack of side effects it can't be beat, in moderate quantities.
A few years ago, my job took me into the NJ state library in Trenton.
I had access to the "Toxicology Reports" for each year and I studied them for any mention of toxic side effects. Again, the only thing that was mentioned was this effect (Turning the skin grey). However, one had to be consuming it in huge (Gallons) quantities. Remember, Silver was the metal of choice for surgeons implanting screws and braces into the body prior to the advent of stainless (surgical) steel. Google "Colloidal Silver" for a full explanation. I have been using it (as needed) since 1994.
Terry




MikeK said:
The clear coat definitely is subject to VOC regs, and 90% of the silver, a heavy metal, is a poisonous liquid overspray and the runoff waste subject to the same disposal problems and regs all plating shops face. You have the worst of both worlds- VOC's and heavy metal concerns. If you think breathing in VOC's is bad, see what happens to your skin (or lungs :eek:) when it makes contact with any AgNO3 dust from the dried overspray. At least touching dried paint overspray is not a toxicity concern like the silver nitrate dust that will be all over the place. It is virtually impossible to chelate silver from a human body. Priced space suits lately? I'll take my poison from a Kentucky or Tennessee oak barrel, please.
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Terry said:
Mike, It is a shame that silver is considered toxic, it is not! Yes, it's considered a "heavy Metal" but it is not toxic. Ever heard of "Colloidal Silver"? (google) I would rather drink a glass full of "C. S." than get a shot of some antibiotic. It works on more pathogens than any antibiotic. It will kill bacteria, some viruses, molds, and yeasts. Yet it does no harm to the human or animal body. It has only one side efffect an d you have to drink it by the gallon to experience that. For lack of side effects it can't be beat, in moderate quantities.
A few years ago, my job took me into the NJ state library in Trenton.
I had access to the "Toxicology Reports" for each year and I studied them for any mention of toxic side effects. Again, the only thing that was mentioned was this effect (Turning the skin grey). However, one had to be consuming it in huge (Gallons) quantities. Remember, Silver was the metal of choice for surgeons implanting screws and braces into the body prior to the advent of stainless (surgical) steel. Google "Colloidal Silver" for a full explanation. I have been using it (as needed) since 1994.
Terry
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Terry, I'm afraid I will respectfully disagree with you about silver exposure. I know of two cases of argyria (literally, etymology: "condition of silver"). My aunt, who was known as the "blue lady" through most of her later life, developed the condition from "Argyril" a prescribed nose drop in the early 60's. Most cells in your body die off and are replaced by others, until you run out of telomeres at the end of your programmed lifespan. The constant supply of dead, replaced meso and endo tissue cells containing the blue-black silver crystals are consumed by macrophages (a type of white blood cell) and transported to the liver. The liver cannot rid itself of the silver. My aunt eventually passed with severe liver enzyme disfunction.

The second case of argyria I personally know of- ME!! 40 years ago I had a darkroom and did lots of prints. I also worked a few summers in a commercial portrait studio darkroom making B&W emlargements and prints by the thousands, hand processing them through the developer, "fix" which removed the unexposed silver halides into solution, and through the rinse. Despite gloves, my hands were sometimes wet with extremely dilute silver compounds. My left hand, up past the wrist, turned a disturbing blue when I was about 20. Several years later it faded away- but to where? One of my hepatic lobes now x-rays with a disturbing shadow. Biopsy (ouch!) reveals tissue loaded with silver crystals. How functional that 1/3 of my liver is, I don't know. Since it is localized, chelation therapy is not indicated. I just live and wonder.

I'm certainly no expert on bio-toxicity, but my wife has a PhD and a few post-docs in endocrinology and biochemistry. She has worked in research labs with darkrooms for 20 years and will not even touch anything made with silver, including B&W photographs, flatware, jewelry, and any of the new "antimicrobial" plastics that contain colloidal silver.

Again, sorry to disagree about silver, but here is a layman's link: Silver Quackery Link
 
Try as I might, yesterday I just couldn't come up with the word Argyria.
I am terribly sorry to hear of your aunt's and your own condition. However, what I take is a solution of 4-6 ppm. I rarely take it anymore as I rarely need it. I used to suffer terrible bouts of sinusitus a couple of times a year. After each bout, it would infect the upper tooth and I would have to get the tooth pulled. I countered them with C.S. and I don't have them any more.
I don't understand what forces are at work here, but I haven't had sinusitus in fifteen years. The reason I took it in the first place was I had an infection that my Dr could not identify. I was weak and tired and fell asleep at my desk or driving my car. I just couldn't stay awake and the Dr couldn't find the cause. A friend suggested C.S. and I was ready to try anything. So, in a couple of weeks, it was gone and I was back to normal.
My Dr. said later that he suspected Epstein-Barr but he couldn't confirm it. For me, it was a life saver. Being naturally conservative, I took no more than needed. And I agree that it's been oversold by hucksters.
Terry


MikeK said:
Terry, I'm afraid I will respectfully disagree with you about silver exposure. I know of two cases of argyria (literally, etymology: "condition of silver"). My aunt, who was known as the "blue lady" through most of her later life, developed the condition from "Argyril" a prescribed nose drop in the early 60's. Most cells in your body die off and are replaced by others, until you run out of telomeres at the end of your programmed lifespan. The constant supply of dead, replaced meso and endo tissue cells containing the blue-black silver crystals are consumed by macrophages (a type of white blood cell) and transported to the liver. The liver cannot rid itself of the silver. My aunt eventually passed with severe liver enzyme disfunction.

The second case of argyria I personally know of- ME!! 40 years ago I had a darkroom and did lots of prints. I also worked a few summers in a commercial portrait studio darkroom making B&W emlargements and prints by the thousands, hand processing them through the developer, "fix" which removed the unexposed silver halides into solution, and through the rinse. Despite gloves, my hands were sometimes wet with extremely dilute silver compounds. My left hand, up past the wrist, turned a disturbing blue when I was about 20. Several years later it faded away- but to where? One of my hepatic lobes now x-rays with a disturbing shadow. Biopsy (ouch!) reveals tissue loaded with silver crystals. How functional that 1/3 of my liver is, I don't know. Since it is localized, chelation therapy is not indicated. I just live and wonder.

I'm certainly no expert on bio-toxicity, but my wife has a PhD and a few post-docs in endocrinology and biochemistry. She has worked in research labs with darkrooms for 20 years and will not even touch anything made with silver, including B&W photographs, flatware, jewelry, and any of the new "antimicrobial" plastics that contain colloidal silver.

Again, sorry to disagree about silver, but here is a layman's link: Silver Quackery Link
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" After each bout, it would infect the upper tooth and I would have to get the tooth pulled. "

Hey Terry, so how many times did they pull that tooth?
...inquiring minds need to know...
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Terry said:
Try as I might, yesterday I just couldn't come up with the word Argyria.
I am terribly sorry to hear of your aunt's and your own condition. However, what I take is a solution of 4-6 ppm. I rarely take it anymore as I rarely need it. I used to suffer terrible bouts of sinusitus a couple of times a year. After each bout, it would infect the upper tooth and I would have to get the tooth pulled. I countered them with C.S. and I don't have them any more.
I don't understand what forces are at work here, but I haven't had sinusitus in fifteen years. The reason I took it in the first place was I had an infection that my Dr could not identify. I was weak and tired and fell asleep at my desk or driving my car. I just couldn't stay awake and the Dr couldn't find the cause. A friend suggested C.S. and I was ready to try anything. So, in a couple of weeks, it was gone and I was back to normal.
My Dr. said later that he suspected Epstein-Barr but he couldn't confirm it. For me, it was a life saver. Being naturally conservative, I took no more than needed. And I agree that it's been oversold by hucksters.
Terry
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Terry, I'm glad it works for you. It did for my aunt's sinus condition for many years too, beyond anything else. Unfortunately she had cumulative effects. Me and the photo stuff- my bad, no one else's. Organics and biologicals are certainly not the end-all cure for everything, even though present logic seems to think so.

I remember when newborns routinely had AgNO3 dropped in their eyes to prevent blinding infection before their immune systems kicked in. Skin infections were routinely treated with boric acid solution (BOH3, or more correctly B(OH)3) rather than enzyme/receptor and eubacteria specific (+ or -) antibiotics. [For those reading this, silver nitrate and boric acid are both inorganic/ non-biological molecules.] Personally, I still use boric acid, although it is no longer available in pharmacies as a 'drug'. You need to go into the the housewares aisle and get 'roach killer powder' which is 100% boric acid. A teaspoon in hot water as a soak beats $300 in antibiotics for any skin laceration infection every time. It was also used for eye drops and nasal sprays before the big pharma lobby killed it.

I originally responded because I didn't want anyone to think it was OK to bask in the AgNO3 overspray of the fake chrome process. Not exactly model A related, but my life plan is to to die of shock when someone looks at one of my A's and says "NICE" without any ...'but didn't.. wasn't.. I don't think.. if you.. you should.. originally.. .the JS..."

Don't worry, there will not be any fake chrome or nickel on my cars. :)
 
There could be for some people be a sensitivity to silver compounds that may be genetic in nature which could explain the trials of MikeK and his aunt. I also worked in darkrooms full time for many years and noticed no problems from developers or fixers and only the occasional sinus irritation from acetic acid stop baths--very acrid smell before dilution to working strength. I rarely used gloves but I did almost always use tongs when processing prints.
 
Mike, I'm not a Chemist. I do understand the formula Agno3 (At least I think i do) Ag= silver NO3= Nitrous Oxide? Am I close? My recipe for DIY C.S. is specific about generating silver nitrate as it's considered toxic. You were working with it in a darkroom and probably in far greater proportions than an 8 or 12 oz glass of in a 4-6 ppm concentrations. Being naturally prone to sinus conditions and sinusitus, I can appreciate why your aunt used it as she did. I must confess, that I too have used C.S. in the same way, for relief from sinus trouble. But you need to take it for about three days and you get about a week's relief. I do like to "charge" myself up on it before any flights on commercial airlines. They only pressurize to 12,000 feet ( I think it's 12) and descending can be agony.
Silver got it's start in Germany about 1890. Before that they used mercury. Remember "Mercurichrome"? for cuts? C.S. is used in some pool filtration units. Tooth fillings are and amalgam of silver and mercury. It was also used by surgeons for screws, plates, etc to be placed inside the body. It was the best all around material until the advent of surgical steel.
I think most people have run across Oprah Winfrey's "Blue Man" who suffered from an extreme case of Argyria. When questioned about why he took so C.S., his answer was basically," It seemed like a good idea at the time!". Even once his skin started to change color, he continued. Your aunt is the only other case I have heard of. After reading the countraindications about other products, C.S. seems pretty Safe
Terry




MikeK said:
Terry, I'm glad it works for you. It did for my aunt's sinus condition for many years too, beyond anything else. Unfortunately she had cumulative effects. Me and the photo stuff- my bad, no one else's. Organics and biologicals are certainly not the end-all cure for everything, even though present logic seems to think so.

I remember when newborns routinely had AgNO3 dropped in their eyes to prevent blinding infection before their immune systems kicked in. Skin infections were routinely treated with boric acid solution (BOH3, or more correctly B(OH)3) rather than enzyme/receptor and eubacteria specific (+ or -) antibiotics. [For those reading this, silver nitrate and boric acid are both inorganic/ non-biological molecules.] Personally, I still use boric acid, although it is no longer available in pharmacies as a 'drug'. You need to go into the the housewares aisle and get 'roach killer powder' which is 100% boric acid. A teaspoon in hot water as a soak beats $300 in antibiotics for any skin laceration infection every time. It was also used for eye drops and nasal sprays before the big pharma lobby killed it.

I originally responded because I didn't want anyone to think it was OK to bask in the AgNO3 overspray of the fake chrome process. Not exactly model A related, but my life plan is to to die of shock when someone looks at one of my A's and says "NICE" without any ...'but didn't.. wasn't.. I don't think.. if you.. you should.. originally.. .the JS..."

Don't worry, there will not be any fake chrome or nickel on my cars. :)
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