Found in flywheel housing

Dick Steinkamp

Dick Steinkamp

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Art and I pulled the original engine and trans in my 30 Tudor yesterday. I want to at least temporally replace the tired original engine with a "refreshed" spare I have, reseal the leaky trans, and replace the chattering clutch.

It does appear that the trans, bell, flywheel and flywheel housing (at a minimum) have been off at some time...amateur wire tie job securing the flywheel and flywheel housing bolts.

I found these in the bottom of the flywheel housing...

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The bolts are 1/4" and are all sheared off. They have "special" thin heads. The sheared part is no where to be found. They do not fasten anything that would be inside the trans/bell/flywheel housing. I don't recognize the washer "keepers" and one is larger than the other 4. I don't recognize the long piece of metal with the oval hole either. The conical shaped half circle looks similar to the steering eccentric adjusting cone for a 2 tooth sector box.

They seemed to be happy just resting there. No odd noises or chipped/broken ring gear teeth.

Any idea what they are and how they got there?
 
all starter bendix bolts....

FYI your chatter could be caused by improper setup of flywheel face to flywheel housing. Must be perfectly parallel no more than .006" out.
 
SeaSlugs said:
all starter bendix bolts....
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Thanks! How about the other pieces? Also part of the bendix?


FYI your chatter could be caused by improper setup of flywheel face to flywheel housing. Must be perfectly parallel no more than .006" out.
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I woke this one up from about a 20 year slumber. The clutch chattered pretty bad when I first got it running. It has improved substantially in the 400 or so miles I have driven it. There was a lot of "gunk" around the pressure plate and the clutch disc (no spring style) was down to the rivets on the PP side.
 
I have often, like a great many others I am sure, wondered where my lost bolts go. I am sure many of us have had occasion when a bolt dropped and we spent hours looking for it - never to find it.

Thank you Dick Steinkamp, for letting us know where all of our lost bolts went.
 
Yea the funky tabed washers are supposed to be bent up around the thin head bolts preventing them from backing out - doesnt do much good when they break off though haha.

That one long one almost looks like a bearing shim but could be a pressed and rolled bendix washer too (think of those penny smashing machines or penny on RR tracks)

yea chatter clutch can also be caused by contaminated lining or as you found out worn out lining. Definitely check the alignment before putting everything back together!
 
The part on the bottom left is the bendix spring clip.

Bob
 

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They say, on this site, that you can retrieve these pieces with magnets and really gooey grease, but I'm not that brave. I'm glad to see that Dick proved that the car will still run with these pieces still in there somewhere. I think I may have one in there.
Marty
 
The early Bendix springs needed the shims Bob shows in #7. Without the shims the bolts can be bent or broke, as your collection of hardware shows.

Later the end coil on each end of the spring was formed to a slightly smaller diameter so the shims were no longer needed.
 
Well, at least what you guys have found after separating the bellhousing from the flywheel housing wasn't still ALIVE!!! That gawd-awful Model A I am working on for an older friend was leaking oil badly from the rear of the engine and from both ends of the transmission. Because the car was stored in a barn on a farm, the interior reeked of mice, as was to be expected. When I pulled the engine and ****** the FIRST time and separated the bellhousing from the flywheel housing, a bunch of oil and transmission lube oozed out onto my garage floor, plus some gunk on the bottom of the bellhousing that I scooped out by gloved hand. As I was wiping my hands, I noticed that there was movement in the pile of that oily, black crud on the floor. Yes, I admit it: I was startled! Whoever heard of broken starter drive bolts and cotter pins found inside a flywheel housing moving on their own? :) Looking closer at the movement amid the gooey mess was a mouse in a fetal position, completely covered with oil. It was clearly in its death throes, so I helped it along with a hammer. 'Didn't want to do it, but I am not into performing heroic medical feats on rodents to save their lives. I think the ghost of that mouse has come back to haunt me and make my life miserable. Why else would I be having so much trouble with the engine/transmission repairs? 'Sounds like a logical explanation, doesn't it?
Marshall
 
When I pulled my 29 down I found something like 10 bendix bolts and washers glued in the muck at the bottom. Had 'em in a plastic bag for showing what I found, thru them out after a while. :)
 
RedModel T - ". . . thru them out after a while. "
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Next time . . . . don't throw them out !

I am sure that some fellow FORD BARN member has them missing . . . from the bottom of his Bell Housing ! It is true - I have heard of some Model A owners who are missing these important 'weight adjustment' bolts from their housing.
 
DougVieyra said:
RedModel T - ". . . thru them out after a while. "
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Next time . . . . don't throw them out !

I am sure that some fellow FORD BARN member has them missing . . . from the bottom of his Bell Housing ! It is true - I have heard of some Model A owners who are missing these important 'weight adjustment' bolts from their housing.
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The correct term for them are "rattleadders" sometimes referred to as "clunk intensifiers":rolleyes::p
 
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