Early 28 engine pans
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Tom Wesenberg
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I have a pair of the early pans but they aren't installed yet. I'll take a picture and post it so others know what they look like. It took me a few years to find them, and then it was at a small Model T swap meet where I found them.
Tom Wesenberg
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Here are the pictures of my left and right 1928 engine side pans. These should be easier to reproduce than the later style, but no one makes them that I know of.
I need to repair one mounting tab on the left pan, and I see the front lip on that pan has a corner clipped. My early 29 uses the next style pans, but the front crossmember still has the small mounting holes for the front lip shown on these pans. You can also see how the factory sawed off the front motor mount on my 2-23-29 frame to use the later spring mount, which was introduced in November 1928.
I need to repair one mounting tab on the left pan, and I see the front lip on that pan has a corner clipped. My early 29 uses the next style pans, but the front crossmember still has the small mounting holes for the front lip shown on these pans. You can also see how the factory sawed off the front motor mount on my 2-23-29 frame to use the later spring mount, which was introduced in November 1928.
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d.j. moordigian
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John,
I take it you want them bolted too the frame, painted?
I did the set for my car,..had to install a dummy engine in the frame. They are kind of
a bear too fit and get all 6 bolts in and up with NO PRE-LOAD to the pans.
They do have a unique shape on the block side!
I guess they could be repoped, but the dies that they use for the ones now, I don't think, would work. The shape is very different.
If you want photos of restored, not painted ones,...I could do that for you..
Dudley
I take it you want them bolted too the frame, painted?
I did the set for my car,..had to install a dummy engine in the frame. They are kind of
a bear too fit and get all 6 bolts in and up with NO PRE-LOAD to the pans.
They do have a unique shape on the block side!
I guess they could be repoped, but the dies that they use for the ones now, I don't think, would work. The shape is very different.
If you want photos of restored, not painted ones,...I could do that for you..
Dudley
Charles Reese
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* early style used until Oct '28
* unique unfinished 1/4"-28 x 9/16” hex head bolts with cotter hole and 3/16” x 1/2" square nuts used to attach to the underside of the frame at four points on each side, including front cross member ... used a 1/16” x 1/2” {plain} cotter pin
* bolts were inserted from the top ... pans attach to bottom side of frame rail {placing pan lip on top of frame rail puts undue tension on curved portion of pan & cause it to resonate with engine vibration}
* there is a slight crease at the front tab of the engine pans to mate properly with the change in slope at the front cross member.
*2-3/16” wide ; 1-7/8” deep cut-out for exhaust pipe in rear of passenger side pan
* sprayed with clear pyroxylin inside & out then sprayed outside with "one even coat" of black pyroxylin (this info not in JS!!
) i dont recall my source so cannot validate this but if correct ... implies the inside of the pan would not have received black paint!
* toward front of both pans (radiator end or shallow end) there are obvious press or stamping marks or patterns … no effort was made to alter these stress marks or to make them perfect!
* unique unfinished 1/4"-28 x 9/16” hex head bolts with cotter hole and 3/16” x 1/2" square nuts used to attach to the underside of the frame at four points on each side, including front cross member ... used a 1/16” x 1/2” {plain} cotter pin
* bolts were inserted from the top ... pans attach to bottom side of frame rail {placing pan lip on top of frame rail puts undue tension on curved portion of pan & cause it to resonate with engine vibration}
* there is a slight crease at the front tab of the engine pans to mate properly with the change in slope at the front cross member.
*2-3/16” wide ; 1-7/8” deep cut-out for exhaust pipe in rear of passenger side pan
* sprayed with clear pyroxylin inside & out then sprayed outside with "one even coat" of black pyroxylin (this info not in JS!!
) i dont recall my source so cannot validate this but if correct ... implies the inside of the pan would not have received black paint!* toward front of both pans (radiator end or shallow end) there are obvious press or stamping marks or patterns … no effort was made to alter these stress marks or to make them perfect!
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d.j. moordigian
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Boy,....ain't that the truth..
glenn in camino
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Using a hammer and dolly, I made a pair for my 28 tudor out of a repo set. They look good and so far, have passed touring class judging several times. It just takes time and patience.
