generator problem im stumped

jack leavitt

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I bought a 1929 model a pickup about 2 months ago the generator has never worked right so it has been rainy out so i took it off. the field coils are good and not grounding out, i replaced the brushes so they are brand new and the armature is good as far as i can tell i also resurfaced the commutator on the lathe, put it back together flashed the field and test it the generator only puts out about 0.24 volts on the multimeter what else could possibly be the problem?
 
The armature needs to be tested on a growler, a non working armature can pass the buzz test for shaots on a growler, the other test on a growler is a bar to bar output test using amp meter---some growlers have them built in, this tests the armature under a load ----just checking resistance is not as good

look close at the solder connections where the wires of the windings attach to the commutator ---the solder connections go bad from thermal cycle fatigue and overheating (running generator not connected to the battery, too high of charging amperage)---when you took it apart was there any little silver splotches on the field coils across fron commutator---thrown solder

i have fixed many poor performing armatures by resoldering the commutator

the growler with the armature on it make a transformer, the a generator armature makes about 10-15 amps depending on the growler ---if you don;t have the ammeter you can use a wire to make a bar to bar spark test , the armature will need to be rotated and the test done at the same position, the position varies depending on the type of winding but you are looking for each bar to be the same as others tested in the same position, starter armatures can be tested the same way but the anp reading is much smaller--2-5 amp, voltage readings can be misleading because you can have voltage through a bad connection----until there is a load

the growler/armature is an AC transformer, use AC scale on stand alone meter
 
I went to the web site that Mike put on here. I do not understand the difference between Test 1 and Test 2. They both measure the resistance between 2 commutator bars 180 degrees apart
 
i replaced the brushes so they are brand new

Did you clean the inside of the brush holders so that the brushes free to move up and down ?
And the springs are pushing them down firmly against the commutator?

Did you undercut the commutator after you "resurfaced" it in your lathe?
 
I went to the web site that Mike put on here. I do not understand the difference between Test 1 and Test 2. They both measure the resistance between 2 commutator bars 180 degrees apart

The first test you are measuring bars 180 degrees apart, the second
test you are measuring bars next to each other.

Bob
 
Did you undercut the armature after you turned it, then test for shorts?
What does not working right mean? Did it work at all and now it doesn't?
 
No pictures sorry but there was no solder on the inside of the case but i will take it in to get tested. Thanks!

Be careful where you take it. Lot of shops no longer know how to work on generators, especially the third brush type. A few years ago I had to fix two generators that were worked on by two different shops. They had mixed up the field and output wires and cooked the windings.

A generator without a working field will put out about 1/2 volt from the residual magnetism. Did you lift the field brush off the commutator (or insulate it with paper) to test the field windings? I like to test them with a 6 volt battery charger, and they should draw about 4 to 5 amps. Connect the positive charger cable to ground and the negative cable to the field wire on the adjustable brush. Hope you have an analog volt meter to use.

BTW, I almost never have to turn a commutator. Most all just need a good polish using crocus cloth, and a few others clean up nicely using a fine mill file while spinning in my lathe.
 
I under cut the armature tested it for shorts it never put out any voltage until after i cleaned it up then it only puts out 0.24 volts on the multimeter when i turn it with a drill
 
No pictures sorry but there was no solder on the inside of the case but i will take it in to get tested. Thanks!


Jack, here is what thrown solder looks like. And from what Tom W. says, I am going to try to repair the armature's solder joints.
 

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