Insulating a tudor, your opinion?

CWPASADENA

CWPASADENA

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I am in the process of assemblying my 30 Tudor and need a recomendation on what works good for insulation or sound deadening inside the doors and rear quarters. In the "Old Days" we would undercoat the back side of the door skins to keep things quiet. I understand there may be a better way to do this today.

Right now, there is nothing inside the doors and the rear quarters. I do not want to use something that will get wet and hold water. I would like to use something that may be better then just undercoarting.

Your opinions????

Thanks in advance,

Chris
 
Many things can be used, there are different kinds of foil faced "tar" products that are self adhesive. You could also try posting on the HAMB or the EV8 side of the Barn. I also believe there is something that can be sprayed on, also try the speedway motors web site. In my opinion they are all pricey. There might even be something avail at loew's or home depot.
Paul in CT
 
Sound deadening panels are the first thing you should install on the cowl panels, inside door skins and around the many large openings in the back area. The large inside exposed areas should then be covered with foil backed insulation material that is about 3/8" thick. Both of these products can be obtained from your local NAPA, or Model A supplier in bulk form, or you can buy the pre-cut kit from Macs for example.
I have used both methods.
 
Hi Chris, I found the double bubble foil poly products to work well & they don't hold moisture like some of the old style matted products do. It is available in several different width rolls & is fairly inexpensive., about 3/8" thick by whatever roll size you need & spray on 3M type adhesive works well. The brand I used is TVM Products, in Western, PA. comes in a roll either 16", 24" or 48" x 125'. It is mostly used by metal bldg. mfg. & supplier companies & they would be a good place to start checking prices in your area, also sold in the big box bldrs. stores. Sells for around .45 to .55 cents per sq. foot in PA. (16" x125' = 156 sq. ft. & any left over can used as a hot water tank heater blanket & etc. good luck!
 
I tried the all while reassembling the S/W. She was sound deadned 'cause old men dont like noise and insulated for Air conditioning. In the roof is fiberglass with foil cover like found in the ceilings of metal buildings. Easy to work with and cheap - like me. It is a great insulator but not that great as sound deadner.

Inside the cowl area is the "Lizard Skin". Great sound deadner, but I questioned the insulating factor, so I overlayed the Skin with a layer of the Double Foil Bubble stuff like you find at Lowes or Home Depot. Lizard Skin was expensive.

The Firewall has an insulator made from the Double Foil Bubble stuff glued in place with 3M Spray Glue.

The door panels and around the Rear has the Double Foil with the felt looking stuff between. Double Foil Felt is a good insulator as well as great sound deadner.

Inside all panels and under the seats are sprayed with Truck Bed Liner before any Foil, Felt, Bubble or Fiberglass was applied.

Taped and stapled to bottom of the wood floorboards are Cut-To-Size pieces of Duct Board 1/2" thick. The wifes feet said thank you for that.
 
I used the precut kit from LeBaron Bonney on a 31 Briggs Town sedan and although a little pricey it made a tremendous difference in sound deadening and a quiet ride. You can barely hear the engine or the exhaust. Good kit, easy to install and ideal time to do it before upholstery goes in.
 
save your money and go to mainerds for the bubble /bubble /foil insulation in the roll... cheap. just take your time installing it.. you will have nice results...good luck...
 
We used a kit from Quiet Ride Solutions. They make the firewall preformed piece that most parts houses sell. We reviewed the kit in the Spring 2008 Model A Times.
 
One question on these 'kits'. In my car dad stuffed-and I mean stuffed-house insulation into all of the nooks and cranies of the car. The car is insulated and sound deadened to the Nth degree and she sounds solid when you close the doors. Do any of these kits/products do that? I hate tinny sounding doors.

Mike
 
Mike what are you going to do with wet house insulation when the rain seeps or runs in at the windows where they roll up and down. Do you have a weathersrtipping somehow in that area. That's is my concern on my car. Don't want to smell anything musky smelling later on. Am wondering the answer as my car is not yet together.
 
The kit we used came with sound deading strips that you applied directly to the sheet metal and then the insulation over that.
 
Robert,

The car never gets wet-that is how I get around it. Actually, she does not get driven now as she has a dead engine. The windows must seal really well as when I wash her, I did not notice any water going down inside the doors.
Dad, put the car together years ago and I have never smelled anything musty in her (at least not that I noticed).

Mike
 
1930artdeco said:
One question on these 'kits'. In my car dad stuffed-and I mean stuffed-house insulation into all of the nooks and cranies of the car. The car is insulated and sound deadened to the Nth degree and she sounds solid when you close the doors. Do any of these kits/products do that? I hate tinny sounding doors.

Mike
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In the late 70's I worked on a fairly new Dodge van where the owner stuffed the doors full of fiberglass insulation. The van was only a few years old, the insulation was dripping wet, and the doors had rust holes in them.
 
Mitch said:
I don't remember seeing it in the JS, but what was put on the car originally?
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My 1929 Tudor has the original sound deadening material in it, and no upholstery.

If you sprayed 3M rubberized insulation on the panels, then stuck some thick tar paper rectangles to it, you'd have about the same as the factory used.

I think I have a picture of it, and I'll see if I can find it.
 
This isn't the best picture, but you can see at least a couple of the sound deadening panels. This is my 2-23-29 Tudor and you can see how when the body was sprayed Rose Beige at the factory, a lot of the paint was sprayed inside also.

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Evercoat makes some butyl panels that have foil on one side and adhesive on the other. They are about 1 square foot in size and a package of 5 runs about $40. I used them on my 31 pickup and it is real quiet and the doors sound as solid as a Mercedes.
 
I suggest you ask a couple of the respected Model A restorers who I am sure have been asked by some of their clients to add noise reduction materials. These restorers have a wealth of experience in so many areas.
 
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