Bless the Rich?

ajohn

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Yesterday,I got a bonded title on the Rolls you see pictured with my icon.It was an EVEN trade for a very pristine 28 Model A 4dr Briggs leatherback sedan.The license place charged me $3,325.80 to transfer the title even though it is an even trade and I can prove it.This very car sold for $13,000 three years ago.The state maintains that it is worth $36,000.Pay me!Have any of you experienced such as this lately?
I plan to buy a 34 Ford fordor next week that is in pieces.Will they say it is worth some unGodly sum? James:confused:
 
I called my state representative yesterday and he called the local county tax collector from whom I am awaiting a call.My gut feeling is the same as you get after being robbed at gunpoint.Is this hobby subject to putting up with such as this? James
 
The Great State of Texas started basing vehicle sales tax on book value of the vehicle (not sure which book) no matter what the actual condition of the vehicle or actual purchase price. I recently bought a rough '93 Ford pickup for $500 as a project for my grandson and I. We had to pay tax on $2,350.00.
 
The Texas state govenment vowed to get moneys by any means. This is a result of that. Now we have to wait a few more years to have our say. One of the fall backs of being in a "No State Income Tax" state.

Its a good thing you didn't buy an aircraft!

Kerby
 
Washington State has been doing something similar for a number of years. It's based on their belief they lose tax revenue because people lie about what they paid for the vehicle. We could get into a long and maybe contentious discussion about how that may be true or not, but then if taxes make a transaction too expensive, folks will just stop doing taxable events altogether. There's got to be a balance. As for where they get the data to support their numbers, our state says it's from a variety of sources: auction results (eek!), and publications such as NADA, Kelly, Old Cars, etc. On the trade thing it takes a notarized affidavit (form supplied by state) from both parties to avoid tax, or minimize it for a cash payment difference in value. Sounds like either you didn't have the right documentation or got an arbitrary/uninformed clerk if Texas has similar program. Hopefully pursuing your rep will get that righted.

I've only had the stated price challenged once by a clerk using the database value versus my Bill of Sale value. She told me I could take it to a state authorized inspection shop and have them validate my contention that since it was all in pieces it had lower value than her guide denoted. Since the additional tax only amounted to around $20 bux I just paid it. It would have taken me more time and effort to load the stuff up and haul it around than that. Of course, when the market drops like it has in the last couple years, their value guides get wayyyy out of whack, but that's not to their money grubbing advantage. It will be interesting to see how that plays out.
 
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I can understand why a government would use a standard value, instead of a value, supplied by the owner.
When you increase the value, to over the "book value", is when you will be ahead.
MIKE :)
 
You would need to get an independent appraisal and make a challenge to the tax. In Illinois we have a total amount that a used car is supposed to max out at, still have troubles with it. Unfortunately they have the power to criminalize you during the challenge and refuse to let you have any rights as a citizen in the state, you have to pay them and fight to retrieve your money, King and Parliament seems to have been fairer, good luck.
 
On an even trade, ajohn may have needed an independent appraisal on the Model A he traded for the car since there was no cash or monitary involvement. At least if there is money involved, you can go about proving you paid set amount for the purchased vehicle with a bill of sale. Texas may have different rule for "trade" amount for another motor vehicle. There is no bill of trade.

Kerby
 
I'm in CT, a friend just bought a junker chev p/up on craig's list for $650 with a bill of sale, state made him pay tax on "book" value. Every state is scrambling to get money.
Paul in CT
 
You got screwed by someone not knowing the law in their own state, which seems to be quite common when you go to the DMV / Tax office.

Read more at this link, and it's always good to know the laws on these old cars before going to the DMV because usually the desk worker only knows how to tax and title a modern car.

http://www.txdmv.gov/vehicles/titles/std_presumptive_value.htm

Here is the text from the TEXAS DMV website. See the last line?

Protesting the Standard Presumptive Value
State sales tax is regulated and enforced by the Texas Comptroller of Public Accounts, which can provide more information about tax rates, vehicle appraisals, etc.
Vehicles Not Subject to Taxation based on Standard Presumptive Value

  • New vehicles (not previously titled)
  • Vehicles purchased from licensed dealers (dealers use purchase price only)
  • Vehicles purchased at a governmental or foreclosure auction
  • Vehicles 25 years old or older
  • Off-road vehicles, such as dirt bikes or all-terrain vehicles (ATVs)
  • Salvage or abandoned vehicles (except rebuilt salvage vehicles)
  • Vehicles sold through a mechanic or storage lien
  • Vehicles given as gifts to eligible applicants
  • Even-trade vehicles, when vehicles of equal value are swapped by the owners
 
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I'd have thought that "Vehicles 25 years old or older" would have also excluded you, or is that a late '80s Roller?

Oh, and that is one form of tax I'm glad our government hasn't cottoned on to yet - sales tax on a used car! Dang!
 
I was given my 34 pickup from a friend in Ca, and had proof that it was a gift here in Mi. They won't give you title unless you place a value on it, there was a long line behind me so I did not want to hold everybody up and said $100 & they accepted it i paid $6.00 tax and left. The people in line behind me hearing the conversation between the clerk & I were very supportive they kept hollering out $1.00. We are all tired of paying taxes to a government that just keep saying more,more.
 
I'd have thought that "Vehicles 25 years old or older" would have also excluded you, or is that a late '80s Roller?

Oh, and that is one form of tax I'm glad our government hasn't cottoned on to yet - sales tax on a used car! Dang!
In Wisconsin we DO pay sales tax on used vehicles. We have ever since I can recall.
 
I am of the opinion that if you have to pay taxes on the value of the car instead of what you paid for it ..it should be called a "property tax." If you are required to pay a "sales tax" based on what you paid for the car...that would be a true "sales tax".
 
In my state, Mass. the DMV uses NADA book value on antique cars unless the vehicle is purchased through a Mass. licensed dealer and it's lower than NADA.
 
I am of the opinion that if you have to pay taxes on the value of the car instead of what you paid for it ..it should be called a "property tax." If you are required to pay a "sales tax" based on what you paid for the car...that would be a true "sales tax".

In Wa. State it is called an Excise Tax, even though it's calculated at whatever the local sales tax rate is. I suspect it's the same in other states, but since it mirrors the sales tax rate people are sloppy in their use of the terms. Yes, a tax is a tax, but by using the term "excise" they are able to circumvent some legal challenges.
 
In Wisconsin we DO pay sales tax on used vehicles. We have ever since I can recall.

I'm in the UK and we're kind of numb from high taxation, but thankfully (so far) there is no sales tax on private sales of used vehicles. Just about everything else we do is taxed!
 
In the peoples republic of New York. I got a real deal registering my model T several weeks ago. The car was restored from parts and they registered it without paying extra tax !!! That don't happen very often here.
 
In my state if you get historical license plate (title) you only pay a one time payment of around $75.00 and 2 or 3 dollars a year taxes. Makes no difference if you paid hundred or million dollars for the car. The only condition is it has to be 25 years or older and you have some restrictions on when you can drive it. Like parades, car shows, getting it worked on and so forth. Of course I drive it anywhere I want to go and nobody ever questions it.
 
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