Powermaster gear reduction hi-torque starter install

farmertom

farmertom

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im having the failed 3yr old discontinued vintage model powermaster replaced by an updated powermaster 9507 model starter. Any tips would be appreciated. thanks,Tom.
 
i guess no one wants to help. the '51 was allready totally rewired and converted to 12volt. i feel persecuted. on the barn i have allways tried to help if i could. powermaster i believe is the only manufacturer that builds a n12volt starter for flatheads.
 
Ford does.
farmertom said:
i guess no one wants to help. the '51 was allready totally rewired and converted to 12volt. i feel persecuted. on the barn i have allways tried to help if i could. powermaster i believe is the only manufacturer that builds a n12volt starter for flatheads.
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Ford does. It involves using the existing armature in an FE case. It has been done many times. https://myflatheadford.com/building-a-12-volt-flathead-starter/.

Please don't confuse valuable advice with persecution.
 
No problem with Powermaster products. Where / what do you need help with? Removing and installing the replacement? This is part number 92507 which is a higher torque version of the stock starter.
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I have the 9507 Powermaster Starter in my 34 Ford. It handles the french flathead easily. Due to my exhaust manifold I had to drill new fastening holes but that was it - no complaints after at least 10000km in the last 4 years.
 
As advised by others, if it's a stock engine, a workaround using stock ford parts to assemble a 12V starter is your best option.
Lower cost and reliable.

Not your best option but if you have your heart set on a reduction gear starter:

You'll need to do a small wiring job on the starter (jumper the solenoid to the starter terminal) to accommodate the stock solenoid.

Check your ring gear for alignment. The reduction gear starter engages from the front of the flywheel. If the ring gear is not properly aligned on the flywheel it can interfere with the starter.

Good luck whatever you decide
 
wga said:
No problem with Powermaster products. Where / what do you need help with? Removing and installing the replacement? This is part number 92507 which is a higher torque version of the stock starter.
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the vintage torque model above is the model that failed for me a week ago. first i thought the starter gear was bound up in the flex plate the last time i attempted to start the car the way it sounded. i rocked the car vigorously in n3rd gear so much it moved a few inches. when i jumped from batt.to large post on fender mounted relay got big sparks.seems like lots of power getting to starter to no avail.before that when i would turn ign. switch to start all i would get is click at the starter and the fender relay. the vintage torque starter has been discontinued i believe so maybe thats is why powermaster has discontinued that model. I'm going to have a shop do the work this time. im 75 yrs old with most joints notworking so well and two hip replcements. i was just under the rear diff. a few days ago removing a broken off grease zerk remaining threads with easyout and replaced with new zerk. that btook all afternoon. thanks for asking wga. sorry for the ramble. Tom.
 
Note that the Powergen 92507 and the 9507 are very different items. The 9507 is a proper reduction gear starter. While the 92507 claims to be a high torque version of the stock starter, I very much doubt it.
 
I had a Powermaster Vintage Torque starter in my stock 8ba. It failed under warranty and the dealer initially said it had to go back to the manufacturer but then fixed it in house. Sometime later it failed again. Took it back and when they opened it up it was toast. The internal parts were plastic and while the starter appeared the same size as a stock starter the guts were much smaller. Do yourself a favor and buy a 12 volt stock replacement starter and call it a day. I do recommend using an original style Bendix as opposed to the new enclosed unit. The newer Bendix requires some grinding to the bellhousing in order to make it fit. JMO.
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51504bat said:
I had a Powermaster Vintage Torque starter in my stock 8ba. It failed under warranty and the dealer initially said it had to go back to the manufacturer but then fixed it in house. Sometime later it failed again. Took it back and when they opened it up it was toast. The internal parts were plastic and while the starter appeared the same size as a stock starter the guts were much smaller. Do yourself a favor and buy a 12 volt stock replacement starter and call it a day. I do recommend using an original style Bendix as opposed to the new enclosed unit. The newer Bendix requires some grinding to the bellhousing in order to make it fit. JMO.
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this is not a contradiction or criticism because we are talking about different model years, but i had different experience recently when installing a new 6v starter with a new style bendix on my '41, as it involved no modifications at all.
 
To replace an original style with a gear reduction style it just bolts up. I had to provide my own mounting bolts, but that was no big deal. As far as the electrical side, you have 3 choices (#2 depends on if you are using the I terminal to give the coil 12V for starting or not):
1-(Simplest) Tie the main and S lug together on the new starter and hook it up to the solenoid you have using the existing cable. If you are using the I terminal on the original solenoid it still works. OR
2a-Leave the solenoid you have and move one wire. Move starter cable at the solenoid to be with the + battery cable side. Move S wire from solenoid to the S terminal on the new starter. If you are using the I terminal on the original solenoid-you can't. OR
2b-Leave the solenoid you have and add one wire. Move starter cable at the solenoid to be with the + battery cable side. add a wire from solenoid S terminal to the S terminal on the new starter. If you are using the I terminal on the original solenoid it still should work. OR
3-Get rid of solenoid you have and move a bunch of wires. Need + battery to big lug as well is the other power wires that are with it on the solenoid. Move S wire from solenoid to the S terminal on the new starter. If you are using the I terminal on the original solenoid-you can't.
 
The Powermaster gear reduction starter you are installing is a very good starter. It's nothing like the old Powermaster "Vintage Torque"you are removing. Good choice.
 
cadillac512 said:
The Powermaster gear reduction starter you are installing is a very good starter. It's nothing like the old Powermaster "Vintage Torque"you are removing. Good choice.
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Thanks cadillac,got the new starter installed today. youre right the new starter is better than the discontinued "vintage torque"so called hi torque. hope the new one lasts longer tha the 3yr old vintage. Tom.
 
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